Re: [UG-ADMINS] [VOTE] Move to a private life off of php.net

(bounced again)

In the previous versions of the Code of Conduct, there was a clause that applied it to any event that used the PHP logo. While I think that was for conferences, it would cover most user groups too. That text is not in Derick’s current version that I can find.


But in the current text, the key paragraph is below. While many on this list - and UG admins in general - may not have @php.net email addresses, it is obvious that we are "representing the PHP project or its community” so the Code of Conduct applies to us and our groups as written.

"This Code of Conduct applies both within project spaces and in public spaces when an individual is representing the project or its community — specifically, this means anywhere you are using your @php.net email address (e.g. via email or on a contact me slide), or are otherwise presenting yourself as an official representative of the PHP project."


Ref:  https://github.com/derickr/php-community-health/blob/master/code-of-conduct.rst

On January 30, 2016 at 5:08:06 PM, Beth Tucker Long ([email protected]) wrote:

The draft of the CoC that I read references php.net, not PHP in general, so I don't believe user groups would fall under the CoC. If we choose to keep this list associated to php.net as the official php.net user group leader mailing list, then I believe it would be subject to the CoC.  
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> On Jan 30, 2016, at 16:58, Ben Ramsey <[email protected]> wrote:  
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> If moved outside the realm of php.net, I believe this list would no longer fall under the jurisdiction of the PHP project and no longer be subject to its code of conduct―at least that's how I read some of the drafts, unless the PHP project considers all related user groups to be under the same code of conduct, since they deal with PHP.  
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> - Ben  
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>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 14:44, Adam Culp <[email protected]> wrote:  
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>> Just putting this here because it does relate to the content we are concerned with keeping private, and how it may be governed: Doesn't the current wording in the proposed CoC of php.net indicate the content of this list and all users of it must also abide.  
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>>> On 01/30/2016 03:29 PM, Eric wrote:  
>>> I am on the fence with this. Where I understand the desire to have a private channel and people feeling more at ease opening discussing sensitive topics, at the same time, the Open Source in me says, ‘No, for better or worse we air it all out. We share and build a stronger community’ Complete transparency. Let everyone know all the issues we work on addressing, how we address them, and how much we all care.  
>>>  
>>> My other concern would be vetting of the private list if we went that way. I do think, at very less, the list of the members of the private group should be public. Then we can police it a little ourselves making sure admin are not missed, and people trying to get on the list have several avenues of contact they can reach out to with questions.  
>>>  
>>> I am holding off on any voting, for now, to see if there are any more opinions on the topic but will place a vote by the end of the day tomorrow.  
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>>> Eric  
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>>>> On January 30, 2016 at 10:25:43 AM, Jonathan Sundquist ([email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>) wrote:  
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>>>> I am +1 for making the list more private.  
>>>>  
>>>> Can we consider those that are +0 as a -1 since they show concerns and are  
>>>> not fully in favor of it?  
>>>>  
>>>>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016, 12:11 PM Ben Ramsey <[email protected]> wrote:  
>>>>>  
>>>>> -1  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 02:48, Cal Evans <[email protected]> wrote:  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Please cast your vote +1 or -1 to move off of php.net to a private (but  
>>>>> not  
>>>>>> secret) list.  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Voting will remain open until Feb 6th.  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> I will moderate the vote and tally the votes. Beth, if she will, will  
>>>>>> double check my math and certify the vote.  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> This is a voting thread only. If you want to discuss use the other  
>>>>> thread.  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Cheers!  
>>>>>> =C=  
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