Re: [UG-ADMINS] [VOTE] Move to a private life off of php.net

Keith,

While the PHP judicial system might be able to make a finding, moving this
to Google Groups puts it on us as a group to determine whether or not we
honor their decision and ban someone from a mailing list.

For example, if Bob gets banned from the PHP project, he can't join
Internals and they could theoretically purge him from all @php.net spaces.
But it would be up to us, and each individual user group, to decide whether
or not to take the same action.

Bottom line, I don't think they can force us to take any action if we move
off the php.net domain.

Brandon

On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 6:24 PM, D. Keith Casey, Jr. <
[email protected]> wrote:

> (bounced again)
>
> In the previous versions of the Code of Conduct, there was a clause that
> applied it to any event that used the PHP logo. While I think that was for
> conferences, it would cover most user groups too. That text is not in
> Derick’s current version that I can find.
>
>
> But in the current text, the key paragraph is below. While many on this
> list - and UG admins in general - may not have @php.net email addresses,
> it is obvious that we are "representing the PHP project or its community”
> so the Code of Conduct applies to us and our groups as written.
>
> "This Code of Conduct applies both within project spaces and in public
> spaces when an individual is representing the project or its community —
> specifically, this means anywhere you are using your @php.net email
> address (e.g. via email or on a contact me slide), or are otherwise
> presenting yourself as an official representative of the PHP project."
>
>
> Ref:
> https://github.com/derickr/php-community-health/blob/master/code-of-conduct.rst
>
> On January 30, 2016 at 5:08:06 PM, Beth Tucker Long (
> [email protected]) wrote:
>
> The draft of the CoC that I read references php.net, not PHP in general,
> so I don't believe user groups would fall under the CoC. If we choose to
> keep this list associated to php.net as the official php.net user group
> leader mailing list, then I believe it would be subject to the CoC.
> Beth
>
> Beth Tucker Long
> Treeline Design, LLC
> 807 Arbor Vitae Place
> Verona, WI 53593
> 608-770-6677
> http://www.TreelineDesign.com
>
> > On Jan 30, 2016, at 16:58, Ben Ramsey <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > If moved outside the realm of php.net, I believe this list would no
> longer fall under the jurisdiction of the PHP project and no longer be
> subject to its code of conduct―at least that's how I read some of the
> drafts, unless the PHP project considers all related user groups to be
> under the same code of conduct, since they deal with PHP.
> >
> > - Ben
> >
> >
> >> On Jan 30, 2016, at 14:44, Adam Culp <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Just putting this here because it does relate to the content we are
> concerned with keeping private, and how it may be governed: Doesn't the
> current wording in the proposed CoC of php.net indicate the content of
> this list and all users of it must also abide.
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Adam Culp
> >> 561-870-6361
> >> Twitter: @adamculp
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> >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/adamculp
> >>
> >>> On 01/30/2016 03:29 PM, Eric wrote:
> >>> I am on the fence with this. Where I understand the desire to have a
> private channel and people feeling more at ease opening discussing
> sensitive topics, at the same time, the Open Source in me says, ‘No, for
> better or worse we air it all out. We share and build a stronger community’
> Complete transparency. Let everyone know all the issues we work on
> addressing, how we address them, and how much we all care.
> >>>
> >>> My other concern would be vetting of the private list if we went that
> way. I do think, at very less, the list of the members of the private group
> should be public. Then we can police it a little ourselves making sure
> admin are not missed, and people trying to get on the list have several
> avenues of contact they can reach out to with questions.
> >>>
> >>> I am holding off on any voting, for now, to see if there are any more
> opinions on the topic but will place a vote by the end of the day tomorrow.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Eric
> >>>
> >>> twitter <http://twitter.com/#%21/shocm>: @shocm <
> http://twitter.com/#%21/shocm> | @sdphp <https://twitter.com/sdphp> |
> http://www.sdphp.org <http://www.sdphp.org/>
> >>> /No trees were killed in sending this message, but a large number of
> electrons were terribly inconvenienced./
> >>>
> >>>> On January 30, 2016 at 10:25:43 AM, Jonathan Sundquist (
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>) wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I am +1 for making the list more private.
> >>>>
> >>>> Can we consider those that are +0 as a -1 since they show concerns
> and are
> >>>> not fully in favor of it?
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016, 12:11 PM Ben Ramsey <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -1
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 02:48, Cal Evans <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Please cast your vote +1 or -1 to move off of php.net to a private
> (but
> >>>>> not
> >>>>>> secret) list.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Voting will remain open until Feb 6th.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I will moderate the vote and tally the votes. Beth, if she will,
> will
> >>>>>> double check my math and certify the vote.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This is a voting thread only. If you want to discuss use the other
> >>>>> thread.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers!
> >>>>>> =C=
> >>>>>
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