Re: HOPE but not faith
Skeeter <[email protected]>
| Newsgroups | alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.agnosticism,talk.philosophy.humanism,sci.skeptic,alt.magick |
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| Organization | UTB inc. |
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says... > > Skeeter wrote: > > [email protected] says... > > > Sylvia Else wrote: > > > > On 10-Apr-23 2:02 am, Skeeter wrote: > > > > > [email protected] says... > > > > >> Skeeter wrote: > > > > >>> [email protected] says... > > > > >>>> Skeeter wrote: > > > > >>>>> [email protected] says... > > > > >>>>>> Skeeter wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says... > > > > >>>>>>>> On 08-Apr-23 2:52 pm, Michael McLean wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Everything is the consequence of something. No thing can create itself. > > > > >>>>>>>>>  It needs a cause. Thus eternal God or nothing would be here. No thing > > > > >>>>>>>>> can "be" before it is in order to bring itself into "being." > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> So, God can be eternal, but nothing else can, because.....? > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> Sylvia. > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> He created it? > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> Could God create an eternal universe if he wanted to? > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> It wouldn't be eternal if it was created. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> So you mean no, God isn't powerful enough to create an > > > > >>>> eternal universe. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Twist it around as usual. > > > > >> > > > > >> You said it, not me. > > > > >> > > > > >>> If it was created it cannot be eternal. > > > > >> > > > > >> Of course it can. Any omnipotent god can create > > > > >> something that lasts forever. If he can't, he's not > > > > >> omnipotent and he needs to go back to god school. > > > > > > > > > > If it was created it had a beginning. > > > > > > > > You mean God cannot create an eternal universe that had no beginning? > > > > > > An eternal universe can have a beginning. If it lasts > > > forever, it's eternal. If it has existed since infinity > > > ago and ends now, it's still eternal. > > > > > > Eternal just means "having infinite duration". > > > <https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/eternal> > > > > > > > In any case, we already know that "omnipotence" contains a built-in > > > > contradiction. Can God create something that He cannot destroy? Etc. > > > > > > > > Sylvia. > > > > > > Or, can God create itself? > > > > > > It depends on what kind of god the believer chooses to > > > invent. > > > > https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/infinity > > Nope. Irrelevant, but thanks for playing. He runs from another one.