Re: School stories

On 4/4/26 7:24 AM, Rich wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.misc Nuno Silva <[email protected]> wrote:
>> (Maybe this one needs to be narrowed to less groups, or sent to alt.unix.geeks?)
>>
>> On 2026-04-04, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 3 Apr 2026 18:00:06 +0100, Janet <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>> [email protected] says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2 Apr 2026 19:33:18 GMT, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Kipling wrote about the hazing of the younger students by the older ones.
>>>>>> In 'Surprised by Joy' Lewis strongly hints there was a sexual element.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lewis doesn't merely hint. He says quite clearly that there was sexual
>>>>> exploitation at the school he attended. There were not merely
>>>>> adolescent crushes, but there was systemic exploitation as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    I'd be surprised if Kilpling used the term hazing,  or was referring
>>>> to that American activity.  He was probably talking about  the
>>>> different British custom fagging
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagging
>>>
>>> I have only a vague idea of what "hazing" is, and assumed it meant
>>> something like what was euphemistically called "fresher orientation"
>>> at one of the universities I attended, in which new students were
>>> humiliated in various ways to make them understand that they were
>>> lower than shark shit.
>>
>> It's sad that some people do think such orientation has to come with
>> "hazing". It's perfectly possible to have a community and activities for
>> orientation and integration purposes without harassment or
>> humiliation. Yet some, seeing it with milder harassment, will assume
>> it's good because it can be less strong...
> 
> It is likely the "social clique" version of the "five monkeys
> experiment"
> <https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/games-primates-play/201203/what-monkeys-can-teach-us-about-human-behavior-facts-fiction>
> from business/government that is often used to explain how some long
> outdated process continues to remain "the policy".  Because "that is
> the way it has always been done", even though no one doing the process,
> nor no one mandating the process as policy, remembers why the process
> was done in the way it is done.
> 
> The current "social clique" members had to undergo the torture to gain
> their status as "in" members of the clique, so therefore all new
> entrants have to also undergo the same torture the current "in" members
> underwent in order for the new entrants to prove their worthiness for
> inclusion in the clique.  I.e., "because we have always done it that
> way".

And this criminality can be broken by treating it
seriously.  According to recent news, a homicide
caused by hazing in the Philippines was prosecuted
as a murder, not manslaughter.  What could the
defendant say in the case 'I was strong and the
victim was a weak and defenseless newbie'?  That's
the very definition of criminality, sadists should
have no hope for sympathy.