Re: Private Property

On 8/11/2026 3:06 PM, dart200 wrote:
> On 8/11/26 2:12 PM, Dude wrote:
>> On 8/11/2026 1:44 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>> On 8/11/26 10:35 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 8/10/2026 4:06 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>> On 8/10/26 9:26 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/10/2026 12:03 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 11:43:59 -0400, Wilson <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/9/2026 6:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/9/26 11:28 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/9/2026 1:34 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/9/26 8:45 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> At its core, free enterprise and a market economy can be 
>>>>>>>>>>>> reduced in
>>>>>>>>>>>> many ways to an economic ideology centered around private 
>>>>>>>>>>>> property.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It gives me extraordinary joy to see how our founders, in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> writing
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Declaration of Independence, declared that all men were 
>>>>>>>>>>>> "endowed
>>>>>>>>>>>> by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, among them 
>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here, the founders took the natural rights John Locke wrote 
>>>>>>>>>>>> about in
>>>>>>>>>>>> his Second Treatise of Government in 1690 – "lives, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> liberties, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> estates, which I call by the general name, property," and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> broadened
>>>>>>>>>>>> it.  They presupposed that property was necessary for 
>>>>>>>>>>>> liberty and
>>>>>>>>>>>> that the greater aspiration behind private property was 
>>>>>>>>>>>> "pursuit of
>>>>>>>>>>>> happiness" (what we call "human flourishing" in my tradition).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just weeks before the Declaration of Independence was written,
>>>>>>>>>>>> George Mason had codified in the Virginia Declaration of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rights that
>>>>>>>>>>>> "the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> acquiring and
>>>>>>>>>>>> possessing property" were predicates to "pursuing and obtaining
>>>>>>>>>>>> happiness and safety."  The founding fathers were not waxing 
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> waning philosophically – well, they were not /only/ doing 
>>>>>>>>>>>> that –
>>>>>>>>>>>> they were expressing the lived experience of the settlers in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the new
>>>>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The lived experience that served as the bedrock of our 
>>>>>>>>>>>> nation was
>>>>>>>>>>>> one of private ownership driving incentives, of communal 
>>>>>>>>>>>> ownership
>>>>>>>>>>>> discouraging productive work, and one where resentment was
>>>>>>>>>>>> inevitable when rewards were equal, but effort was not. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Communal
>>>>>>>>>>>> ownership of property had failed in practice because it was 
>>>>>>>>>>>> first a
>>>>>>>>>>>> failed theory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Private property is a natural right that flows from our 
>>>>>>>>>>>> ability to
>>>>>>>>>>>> earn, hold, possess, retain, and manage the fruits of our 
>>>>>>>>>>>> own labor.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It produces responsibility, stewardship, and abundance that 
>>>>>>>>>>>> align
>>>>>>>>>>>> with human nature.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> David L. Bahnsen
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> i love how capitalists love to jerk themselves off about 
>>>>>>>>>>> freedom and
>>>>>>>>>>> flourishing endlessly while ignoring the fact 7/8 are 
>>>>>>>>>>> enslaved to a
>>>>>>>>>>> nation-state system that coercively interferes with basic 
>>>>>>>>>>> freedom of
>>>>>>>>>>> movement
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> this world is a travesty of authoritarian control all you can 
>>>>>>>>>>> do is
>>>>>>>>>>> keep crying endlessly about private property, as violently 
>>>>>>>>>>> owning
>>>>>>>>>>> stuff is the _only_ principle you actually care about
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Self-defense is not the initiation of violence, and as it is 
>>>>>>>>>> oriented
>>>>>>>>>> towards the protection of life and the thriving of the human 
>>>>>>>>>> person,
>>>>>>>>>> it is a natural human right.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you are _not_ your property
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Property as gained by the effort and work of a human being is
>>>>>>>>>> inherently a part of that person's life. As such, defense of that
>>>>>>>>>> property is also a human right.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> even the person who first came up with that predicated that 
>>>>>>>>> right to
>>>>>>>>> mixing labor with land to claim property, on there being enough 
>>>>>>>>> common
>>>>>>>>> lands left for all to utilize...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> which we've gone so far past that you want to keep 7/8 people 
>>>>>>>>> on this
>>>>>>>>> planet chained to the nation state they were born in without 
>>>>>>>>> even the
>>>>>>>>> permission to leave.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anyone who attempts to take away one's property or other natural
>>>>>>>>>> rights is an enabler of tyranny, and therefore an enemy of 
>>>>>>>>>> life and of
>>>>>>>>>> humanity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not keeping them in their home countries. They just can't 
>>>>>>>> all come
>>>>>>>> here, that's all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok, lets change the wording a little.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "you want to keep 7/8 people on this
>>>>>>> planet chained to nation states where they can have no future, no 
>>>>>>> hope
>>>>>>> of improvement in their lives without even the permission to go
>>>>>>> somewhere better."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I don't want to keep them "chained to nation states". As far 
>>>>>> as I'm concerned they are free to go anywhere that's willing to 
>>>>>> accept them.
>>>>>
>>>>> my god the endless stupidity of capitalist morons refusing to 
>>>>> accept responsibility for the bullshit they preach...
>>>>>
>>>>> which ofc is expected. a honest person cannot hold the positions of 
>>>>> sheeplefried capitalists.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not even that attached to the idea of nation-states and kind 
>>>>>> of like the idea of free places that are outside of the nation-state.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In any case, no place is obligated to accept everyone that wants 
>>>>>> to go there. The current citizens get a say in the matter.
>>>>>
>>>>> you _are_ the fucking problem wilson. if the richest country on the 
>>>>> planet can't "afford" basic freedom of movement, then how in the 
>>>>> fuck do you expect others to follow???
>>>>>
>>>>> ur pathetic "well-wishings" are meaningless platitudes compares to 
>>>>> the subethical positions you hold, which are directly causal in 
>>>>> chaining 7/8 people on the planet to the nation states of their 
>>>>> birth, something they have _zero_ choice
>>>>
>>>> Go get your consensus and then get back to me.
>>>>
>>>
>>> why do i have to fix the mess the coercive mess your fucking ungodly 
>>> ideology created???
>>>
>>> where do u think ur next life will end up, eh???
>>>
>> There's just not much an individual can do to fix the mess you created.
> 
> you could start by advocating for it as a problem instead of endlessly 
> denying it's a problem u stupid fuck
> 
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