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and the World Wide Web (which most people confuse with the Internet) was
developed by Tim Berners-Lee at the internationally funded CERN (the Europe=
an
Organization for Nuclear Research)
On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 at 22:55, Fred Maxwell [email protected] [EAC]
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> On Oct 13, 2020, at 1:46 PM, Jerry Baker jbaker6953-/[email protected]
> <[email protected]> [EAC] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Capitalism at work is that the service existed in the first place. The
> internet and just about every worthwhile service spawned from it came
> from people looking to make money and investors willing to risk their
> own capital on the chance of doing so.
>
> *The Internet exists because tax dollars funded the development of its
> technological underpinnings.* It wasn't private companies that invested
> their capital to create the first wide-area packet-switching network and
> the TCP/IP protocol suite. It was American taxpayers who funded it throug=
h
> DARPA.
>
> You want companies to reap all of the financial benefits of public
> investment in everything from the development of TCP/IP to the public
> schools that educated their employees. But God forbid that we should
> suggest even modest protections for consumers who come to rely on the
> services provided by those companies. Yahoo should not be able to tell a
> bunch of people dying of thyroid cancer that they have a month to find a
> new service provider for their thyroid cancer list and have their
> terminally ill members sign up for, and learn to use, the new service
> between chemotherapy sessions.
>
> I don't know what cockamamie
> universe people live in where they think others can afford to invest
> their blood, sweat, and tears into producing something for others in
> return for jack squat. Somebody has to be making money so those people
> can eat and have a place to live, and if it's not them then who is it?
>
> *I don=E2=80=99t know what cockamamie universe you live in where Verizon,=
which
> made $31.6 billion in the first quarter of this year alone, would be driv=
en
> into bankruptcy by leaving a list server up for another three to six mont=
hs
> to comply with a government regulation that users be given more notice of=
a
> shutdown.* It would not lead to starving, ex-Verizon employees living on
> the streets. I would not be at all surprised to learn that shutting down
> the groups was so that Verizon/Yahoo could terminate some employees who h=
ad
> been running and supporting the service.
>
> If there were such regulations no sane person would create the service
> in the first place. Why on earth would you create something that did
> nothing for you except open you to punitive legal action?
>
> Yahoo created the service to make money, by attracting people to their
> website and showing them ads. Requiring that they give reasonable notice
> before shutting the service down would not have changed the business
> equation one iota.
>
> Yahoo doesn't owe you or anybody else anything. We were using their
> servers and resources for free
>
> To paraphrase you, what kind of cockamamie universe do they live in where
> they thought they could afford to invest their blood, sweat, and tears in=
to
> producing something for others in return for jack squat? If you=E2=80=99=
re going
> to claim that they got nothing of value from us, then explain why they
> created the service.
>
> and now people want to complain when
> Yahoo doesn't want to pay our way any more. Why does Yahoo owe it to us
> to keep paying for our use?
>
> You=E2=80=99ve perfectly summed up the problem with consumer-be-damned,
> under-regulated capitalism.
>
> Do you think that health insurers provide affordable coverage for people
> with diabetes, heart disease, cystic fibrosis, or Parkinson=E2=80=99s dis=
ease
> because they feel that they =E2=80=9Cowe it=E2=80=9D to them, or because =
they expect that
> to be a profitable venture? Of course not; they do it because they are
> required to by the ACA. Sneeze guards over salad bars aren=E2=80=99t ther=
e because
> the restaurants felt some debt to the public; they are required by
> government health regulations. Your local mall doesn=E2=80=99t have hand=
icapped
> parking, wheelchair ramps, elevators, and wheelchair accessible restrooms
> because they expect to make a huge profit from people in wheelchairs; the=
y
> have them because of the ADA.
>
> You=E2=80=99ve set up this false dichotomy in which we have to choose bet=
ween
> completely unregulated capitalism or regulations so onerous that they
> eliminate all opportunities for a business to make a profit.
>
> Regards,
> Fred Maxwell
> Moderator, Exact Audio Copy Yahoogroup
>
>
>
>
>
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<p><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div>and the World Wid=
e Web (which most people confuse with the Internet) was developed by Tim Be=
rners-Lee at the internationally funded CERN (the=C2=A0<span style=3D"color=
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<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue=
, 13 Oct 2020 at 22:55, Fred Maxwell _<a href=3D"mailto:eac_moderator@mail2=
fm.com">[email protected]</a> [EAC] <<a href=3D"mailto:EAC@yahoo=
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On Oct 13, 2020, at 1:46 PM, Jerry Baker <a href=3D"mailto:jbaker6953@yahoo=
...com" target=3D"_blank">jbaker6953-/[email protected]</a> [EAC] <<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote=
:<div><br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-844310166=
6337752097ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"font-size:13px;font-family:Arial,helvetica,c=
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d-spacing:0px;"><div id=3D"gmail-m_-8443101666337752097ygrp-msg"><div id=3D=
"gmail-m_-8443101666337752097ygrp-text" style=3D"font-family:Georgia;"><p s=
tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 1em;">Capitalism at work is that the service existed=
in the first place. The<span>=C2=A0</span><br>internet and just about ever=
y worthwhile service spawned from it came<span>=C2=A0</span><br>from people=
looking to make money and investors willing to risk their<span>=C2=A0</spa=
n><br>own capital on the chance of doing so. </p></div></div></div></div></=
blockquote><div><div><i>The Internet exists because tax dollars funded the =
development of its technological underpinnings.</i> =C2=A0It wasn't pri=
vate companies that invested their capital to create the first wide-area pa=
cket-switching network and the TCP/IP protocol suite. It was American taxpa=
yers who funded it through DARPA.</div><div><br></div><div>You want compani=
es to reap all of the financial benefits of public investment in everything=
from the development of TCP/IP to the public schools that educated their e=
mployees. But God forbid that we should suggest even modest protections for=
consumers who come to rely on the services provided by those companies. Ya=
hoo should not be able to tell a bunch of people dying of thyroid cancer th=
at they have a month to find a new service provider for their thyroid cance=
r list and have their terminally ill members sign up for, and learn to use,=
the new service between chemotherapy sessions.</div></div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-8443101666337752097ygrp-mlmsg" style=
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">I don't know what cockamamie<span>=C2=A0</span><br>universe people li=
ve in where they think others can afford to invest<span>=C2=A0</span><br>th=
eir blood, sweat, and tears into producing something for others in<span>=C2=
=A0</span><br>return for jack squat. Somebody has to be making money so tho=
se people<span>=C2=A0</span><br>can eat and have a place to live, and if it=
's not them then who is it?<br></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote=
><div><div><div><i>I don=E2=80=99t know what cockamamie universe you live i=
n where Verizon, which made $31.6 billion in the first quarter of this year=
alone, would be driven into bankruptcy by leaving a list server up for ano=
ther three to six months to comply with a government regulation that users =
be given more notice of a shutdown.</i> =C2=A0It would not lead to starving=
, ex-Verizon employees living on the streets.=C2=A0 I would not be at all s=
urprised to learn that shutting down the groups was so that Verizon/Yahoo c=
ould terminate some employees who had been running and supporting the servi=
ce.</div></div><div><br></div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div id=
=3D"gmail-m_-8443101666337752097ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"font-size:13px;font-fa=
mily:Arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;=
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ations no sane person would create the service<span>=C2=A0</span><br>in the=
first place. Why on earth would you create something that did<span>=C2=A0<=
/span><br>nothing for you except open you to punitive legal action?</p></di=
v></div></div></div></blockquote><div>Yahoo created the service to make mon=
ey, by attracting people to their website and showing them ads.=C2=A0 Requi=
ring that they give reasonable notice before shutting the service down woul=
d not have changed the business equation one iota.</div><div><br></div><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-8443101666337752097ygrp-mlms=
g" style=3D"font-size:13px;font-family:Arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;fon=
t-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;te=
xt-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><di=
v id=3D"gmail-m_-8443101666337752097ygrp-msg"><div id=3D"gmail-m_-844310166=
6337752097ygrp-text" style=3D"font-family:Georgia;"><p style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 1em;">Yahoo doesn't owe you or anybody else anything. We were using=
their<span>=C2=A0</span><br>servers and resources for free </p></div></div=
></div></div></blockquote><div>To paraphrase you, what kind of cockamamie u=
niverse do they live in where they thought they could afford to invest thei=
r blood, sweat, and tears into producing something for others in return for=
jack squat?=C2=A0 If you=E2=80=99re going to claim that they got nothing o=
f value from us, then explain why they created the service.</div><div><br><=
/div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-8443101666337752097=
ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"font-size:13px;font-family:Arial,helvetica,clean,sans-=
serif;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align=
:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:=
0px;"><div id=3D"gmail-m_-8443101666337752097ygrp-msg"><div id=3D"gmail-m_-=
8443101666337752097ygrp-text" style=3D"font-family:Georgia;"><p style=3D"ma=
rgin:0px 0px 1em;">and now people want to complain when<span>=C2=A0</span><=
br>Yahoo doesn't want to pay our way any more. Why does Yahoo owe it to=
us<span>=C2=A0</span><br>to keep paying for our use?</p></div></div></div>=
</div></blockquote>You=E2=80=99ve perfectly summed up the problem with cons=
umer-be-damned, under-regulated capitalism. =C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div=
>Do you think that health insurers provide affordable coverage for people w=
ith diabetes, heart disease, cystic fibrosis, or Parkinson=E2=80=99s diseas=
e because they feel that they =E2=80=9Cowe it=E2=80=9D to them, or because =
they expect that to be a profitable venture?=C2=A0 Of course not; they do i=
t because they are required to by the ACA. Sneeze guards over salad bars ar=
en=E2=80=99t there because the restaurants felt some debt to the public; th=
ey are required by government health regulations.=C2=A0 Your local mall doe=
sn=E2=80=99t have handicapped parking, wheelchair ramps, elevators, and whe=
elchair accessible restrooms because they expect to make a huge profit from=
people in wheelchairs; they have them because of the ADA. =C2=A0</div><div=
><br></div><div>You=E2=80=99ve set up this false dichotomy in which we have=
to choose between completely unregulated capitalism or regulations so oner=
ous that they eliminate all opportunities for a business to make a profit. =
=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div><div><span>Regards,</span><br><span>=C2=A0 =
Fred Maxwell</span><br><span>=C2=A0 Moderator, Exact Audio Copy Yahoogroup<=
/span></div><div><span><br></span></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div=
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color: #ff7900;
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display: table;
font-family: Arial;
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text-decoration: none;
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border: none;
padding-right: 5px;
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display: block;
margin-bottom: 5px;
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text-decoration: none;
}
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blockquote {
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width: 72px;
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margin: 4px;
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font-weight: 700;
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font-weight: 700;
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margin-bottom: 20px;
padding: 0px;
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text-decoration: none;
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font-size: 77%;
list-style-type: square;
padding: 6px 0;
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margin: 0;
padding: 0 0 0 8px;
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margin: 0 0 1em 0;
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font-size: 120%;
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#ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {
border-right: none !important;=20
}=20
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