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On 10/13/20 1:55 PM, Fred Maxwell [email protected] [EAC] wrote:
> I don’t know what cockamamie universe you live in where Verizon,
> which made $31.6 billion in the first quarter of this year alone,
> would be driven into bankruptcy by leaving a list server up for
> another three to six months
I may have mentioned this before, but I used to work for V*r*z*n.
Whatever you think of them from the outside, I can promise you they're
even worse. Before most of us were even thinking about the very
/concept/ of “net neutrality”, V*r*z*n was telling its employees about
their brilliant plan to sell consumers Internet speeds of [whatever]
/but to not actually provide the claimed speed unless the owners of the
sites the consumers wished to connect to had also paid V*r*z*n/. The
idea was that if you, having paid V*r*z*n, wanted to shop at Amazon,
you'd get /intentionally/ degraded speeds unless Amazon also coughed up
money. This was because, in V*r*z*n's insane view, Amazon was using
V*r*z*n's network.
This was not something making the rounds via the rumor mill, this was
something management was explicitly telling employees during conference
calls. It wasn't subtle or coded, it wasn't subject to
misinterpretation, it was their plan. And this was back when Amazon was
the target, before so many were streaming Netflix. This was also not
long after there were lots of reports about how the domestic network was
not being used at anywhere near capacity, so they really had no excuse
whatsoever.
> It would not lead to starving, ex-Verizon employees living on the
> streets. I would not be at all surprised to learn that shutting
> down the groups was so that Verizon/Yahoo could terminate some
> employees who had been running and supporting the service.
I can pretty much guarantee that that's exactly the case. And if some of
those employees have other duties that make for a more smooth and
pleasant customer experience, well, those functions aren't going to be
taken over by the survivors, they simply won't be done by anyone.
V*r*z*n started out as an incumbent landline monopoly and never quite
lost the attitude that they could do whatever they wanted because no one
had alternatives. They do have a good cell phone network (and charge
accordingly) and their FiOS Internet service is generally good. But if
you're wondering why you don't have access to FiOS where you live,
there's a good chance it's because the people who would build the
network are union. FiOS has been quite profitable for the company, but
they made a decision several years back (which, to be fair, may have
since been rescinded) that they would no longer expand coverage, not
because they weren't making money, but because they didn't want to pay
people what they were worth to further build it, even though that would
have meant making even more money later.
Possibly my favorite of their many, many quirks was related to catching
billing errors: If a process was in place to identify potential over- or
under-billing or other issues but that process had not caught anything
for a while, they wanted that process shut off. Even something as
non-time consuming on an auditor's part as getting a report saying “No
errors found” was deemed wasteful. They simply assumed that if something
hadn't gone wrong for a given period of time, it would simply never go
wrong. They got bit by that, but didn't care.
> You’ve set up this false dichotomy in which we have to choose
> between completely unregulated capitalism or regulations so
> onerous that they eliminate all opportunities for a business to
> make a profit.
But remember, if they don't lay off thousands every quarter despite
having record profits, they can't “innovate”.
One of the reasons I chose retirement was that they wanted us all to
move across the country to a state I have no interest in living in so we
could all “collaborate”. To that end, they made it clear that no one
would ever telecommute again and the new office was going to be one of
those wide-open monstrosities with absolutely no privacy, escape from
others or ability to concentrate. Of course, once that was all in place
and the guy who had the brilliant idea got his multimillion dollar
bonus, he retired. A few years later, the pandemic hit and…well, I'd
really like to know how they're handling things in that office. If
they're letting people telecommute, I don't doubt for an instant that
it's only because they don't want to get sued. If they thought there was
more money to be made by intentionally infecting everyone, they'd have
done it in a heartbeat.
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<p>On 10/13/20 1:55 PM, Fred Maxwell [email protected]
[EAC] wrote:</p>
<pre>> I don’t know what cockamamie universe you live in where Verizon,
> which made $31.6 billion in the first quarter of this year alone,
> would be driven into bankruptcy by leaving a list server up for
> another three to six months
</pre>
<p>I may have mentioned this before, but I used to work for V*r*z*n.
Whatever you think of them
from the outside, I can promise you they're even worse. Before
most of us were even thinking
about the very <em>concept</em> of “net neutrality”, V*r*z*n was
telling its employees
about their brilliant plan to sell consumers Internet speeds of
[whatever] <em>but to not actually
provide the claimed speed unless the owners of the sites the
consumers wished to connect to had
also paid V*r*z*n</em>. The idea was that if you, having paid
V*r*z*n, wanted to shop at Amazon,
you'd get <em>intentionally</em> degraded speeds unless Amazon
also coughed up money. This was because,
in V*r*z*n's insane view, Amazon was using V*r*z*n's network.</p>
<p>This was not something making the rounds via the rumor mill, this
was something management
was explicitly telling employees during conference calls. It
wasn't subtle or coded, it wasn't subject
to misinterpretation, it was their plan. And this was back when
Amazon was the target, before so many
were streaming Netflix. This was also not long after there were
lots of reports about how the domestic
network was not being used at anywhere near capacity, so they
really had no excuse whatsoever.</p>
<pre>> It would not lead to starving, ex-Verizon employees living on the
> streets. I would not be at all surprised to learn that shutting
> down the groups was so that Verizon/Yahoo could terminate some
> employees who had been running and supporting the service.
</pre>
<p>I can pretty much guarantee that that's exactly the case. And if
some of those
employees have other duties that make for a more smooth and
pleasant
customer experience, well, those functions aren't going to be
taken over by the
survivors, they simply won't be done by anyone.</p>
<p>V*r*z*n started out as an incumbent landline monopoly and never
quite
lost the attitude that they could do whatever they wanted because
no one
had alternatives. They do have a good cell phone network (and
charge accordingly) and their FiOS
Internet service is generally good. But if you're wondering why
you don't have
access to FiOS where you live, there's a good chance it's because
the people
who would build the network are union. FiOS has been quite
profitable for the
company, but they made a decision several years back (which, to be
fair, may
have since been rescinded) that they would no longer expand
coverage, not because
they weren't making money, but because they didn't want to pay
people what they were worth to further build it,
even though that would have meant making even more money later.</p>
<p>Possibly my favorite of their many, many quirks was related to
catching billing errors:
If a process was in place to identify potential over- or
under-billing or other issues
but that process had not caught anything for a while, they wanted
that process shut off.
Even something as non-time consuming on an auditor's part as
getting a report saying
“No errors found” was deemed wasteful. They simply assumed that if
something
hadn't gone wrong for a given period of time, it would simply
never go wrong. They got bit
by that, but didn't care.</p>
<pre>> You’ve set up this false dichotomy in which we have to choose
> between completely unregulated capitalism or regulations so
> onerous that they eliminate all opportunities for a business to
> make a profit.
</pre>
<p>But remember, if they don't lay off thousands every quarter
despite having
record profits, they can't “innovate”.</p>
<p>One of the reasons I chose retirement was that they wanted us all
to move across
the country to a state I have no interest in living in so we could
all “collaborate”.
To that end, they made it clear that no one would ever telecommute
again and the new office
was going to be one of those wide-open monstrosities with
absolutely no privacy, escape from
others or ability to concentrate. Of course, once that was all in
place and the guy who had the
brilliant idea got his multimillion dollar bonus, he retired. A
few years later, the pandemic
hit and…well, I'd really like to know how they're handling things
in that office. If
they're letting people telecommute, I don't doubt for an instant
that it's only because they
don't want to get sued. If they thought there was more money to be
made by intentionally infecting
everyone, they'd have done it in a heartbeat.</p>
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