Re: Yes, the EAC group is moving!
"Jerry Baker jbaker6953-/[email protected] [EAC]" <[email protected]> Tue, 13 Oct 2020 15:25:14 -0700
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--QyO8V8cRbPHmb6ONmGsiLjXTNof6tSNJOmQsw1I Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You work as a moderator for this list for free, Fred. Should we make it against the law for you to stop? After all, that would screw so many people who counted on it. Surely you make enough at your job that it won't hurt you to be forced to continue, right? On 10/13/2020 1:55 PM, Fred Maxwell [email protected] [EAC] wrote: > /The Internet exists because tax dollars funded the development of its > technological underpinnings./ It wasn't private companies that invested > their capital to create the first wide-area packet-switching network and > the TCP/IP protocol suite. It was American taxpayers who funded it > through DARPA. > Did DARPA make Yahoo groups? No. Thank you. > You want companies to reap all of the financial benefits of public > investment in everything from the development of TCP/IP to the public > schools that educated their employees. But God forbid that we should > suggest even modest protections for consumers who come to rely on the > services provided by those companies. Yahoo should not be able to tell a > bunch of people dying of thyroid cancer that they have a month to find a > new service provider for their thyroid cancer list and have their > terminally ill members sign up for, and learn to use, the new service > between chemotherapy sessions. Why not? THe service belongs to Yahoo. It's pants-on-head retarded to even think that people do not have a right to provide a service unless the government is allowed to force them to continue providing it as long as the government wants them to provide it ... like your moderator services. Hope you weren't planning on quitting since so many people have come to depend on it. > /I don’t know what cockamamie universe you live in where Verizon, which > made $31.6 billion in the first quarter of this year alone, would be > driven into bankruptcy by leaving a list server up for another three to > six months to comply with a government regulation that users be given > more notice of a shutdown. So it's OK for the government to force anybody to do anything that won't bankrupt them? I don't even know how somebody not taking some psychoactive drugs could imagine that's ok. > Yahoo created the service to make money, by attracting people to their > website and showing them ads. Requiring that they give reasonable > notice before shutting the service down would not have changed the > business equation one iota. In your world people don't consider the potential costs of an investment? Is tha >> Yahoo doesn't owe you or anybody else anything. We were using their >> servers and resources for free >> > To paraphrase you, what kind of cockamamie universe do they live in > where they thought they could afford to invest their blood, sweat, and > tears into producing something for others in return for jack squat? If > you’re going to claim that they got nothing of value from us, then > explain why they created the service. It doesn't matter why they created it. It's theirs. They can do with it what they want. No free country makes people justify why the government shouldn't be allowed to commandeer their property. > Do you think that health insurers provide affordable coverage for people > with diabetes, heart disease, cystic fibrosis, or Parkinson’s disease > because they feel that they “owe it” to them, or because they expect > that to be a profitable venture? Of course not; they do it because they > are required to by the ACA. Who knew there was no insurance before the ACA tripled the cost? > Sneeze guards over salad bars aren’t there > because the restaurants felt some debt to the public; they are required > by government health regulations. Your local mall doesn’t have > handicapped parking, wheelchair ramps, elevators, and wheelchair > accessible restrooms because they expect to make a huge profit from > people in wheelchairs; they have them because of the ADA. As someone who works in the construction industry, you have no idea how much stuff doesn't get built because of the cost of ADA compliance. It's easy to see the stuff that's there, but not so easy to see what would have been there and isn't because of your "uptopia." > You’ve set up this false dichotomy in which we have to choose between > completely unregulated capitalism or regulations so onerous that they > eliminate all opportunities for a business to make a profit. I'm not saying business will never do anything if there's regulations, just like businesses keep operating even though they are plagued by thieves and crooks. Just because something won't bankrupt someone doesn't make it right. It's morally wrong to steal from other people whether or not you feel like their property belongs to you or not. -- Jerry Baker --QyO8V8cRbPHmb6ONmGsiLjXTNof6tSNJOmQsw1I Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/htm= l4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> =20 <body style=3D"background-color: #fff;"> <span style=3D"display:none"> </span> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"position:relative;"> <div id=3D"ygrp-msg" style=3D"z-index: 1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-text" > =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <p>You work as a moderator for this list for free, Fred. Should we ma= ke it <br> against the law for you to stop? After all, that would screw so many <br> people who counted on it. Surely you make enough at your job that it <br> won't hurt you to be forced to continue, right?<br> <br> On 10/13/2020 1:55 PM, Fred Maxwell [email protected] [EAC] wrote:= <br> > /The Internet exists because tax dollars funded the development of its= <br> > technological underpinnings./ =C2=A0It wasn't private companies th= at invested <br> > their capital to create the first wide-area packet-switching network a= nd <br> > the TCP/IP protocol suite. It was American taxpayers who funded it <br= > > through DARPA.<br> ><br> Did DARPA make Yahoo groups? No. Thank you.<br> <br> > You want companies to reap all of the financial benefits of public <br= > > investment in everything from the development of TCP/IP to the public = <br> > schools that educated their employees. But God forbid that we should <= br> > suggest even modest protections for consumers who come to rely on the = <br> > services provided by those companies. Yahoo should not be able to tell= a <br> > bunch of people dying of thyroid cancer that they have a month to find= a <br> > new service provider for their thyroid cancer list and have their <br> > terminally ill members sign up for, and learn to use, the new service = <br> > between chemotherapy sessions.<br> <br> Why not? THe service belongs to Yahoo. It's pants-on-head retarded to <= br> even think that people do not have a right to provide a service unless <br> the government is allowed to force them to continue providing it as long <b= r> as the government wants them to provide it ... like your moderator <br> services. Hope you weren't planning on quitting since so many people <b= r> have come to depend on it.<br> <br> > /I don=E2=80=99t know what cockamamie universe you live in where Veriz= on, which <br> > made $31.6 billion in the first quarter of this year alone, would be <= br> > driven into bankruptcy by leaving a list server up for another three t= o <br> > six months to comply with a government regulation that users be given = <br> > more notice of a shutdown.<br> <br> So it's OK for the government to force anybody to do anything that won&= #39;t <br> bankrupt them? I don't even know how somebody not taking some <br> psychoactive drugs could imagine that's ok.<br> <br> > Yahoo created the service to make money, by attracting people to their= <br> > website and showing them ads. =C2=A0Requiring that they give reasonabl= e <br> > notice before shutting the service down would not have changed the <br= > > business equation one iota.<br> <br> In your world people don't consider the potential costs of an <br> investment? Is tha<br> <br> >> Yahoo doesn't owe you or anybody else anything. We were using = their<br> >> servers and resources for free<br> >><br> > To paraphrase you, what kind of cockamamie universe do they live in <b= r> > where they thought they could afford to invest their blood, sweat, and= <br> > tears into producing something for others in return for jack squat? = =C2=A0If <br> > you=E2=80=99re going to claim that they got nothing of value from us, = then <br> > explain why they created the service.<br> <br> It doesn't matter why they created it. It's theirs. They can do wit= h it <br> what they want. No free country makes people justify why the government <br= > shouldn't be allowed to commandeer their property.<br> <br> > Do you think that health insurers provide affordable coverage for peop= le <br> > with diabetes, heart disease, cystic fibrosis, or Parkinson=E2=80=99s = disease <br> > because they feel that they =E2=80=9Cowe it=E2=80=9D to them, or becau= se they expect <br> > that to be a profitable venture? =C2=A0Of course not; they do it becau= se they <br> > are required to by the ACA.<br> <br> Who knew there was no insurance before the ACA tripled the cost?<br> <br> > Sneeze guards over salad bars aren=E2=80=99t there <br> > because the restaurants felt some debt to the public; they are require= d <br> > by government health regulations. =C2=A0Your local mall doesn=E2=80=99= t have <br> > handicapped parking, wheelchair ramps, elevators, and wheelchair <br> > accessible restrooms because they expect to make a huge profit from <b= r> > people in wheelchairs; they have them because of the ADA.<br> <br> As someone who works in the construction industry, you have no idea how <br= > much stuff doesn't get built because of the cost of ADA compliance. It&= #39;s <br> easy to see the stuff that's there, but not so easy to see what would <= br> have been there and isn't because of your "uptopia."<br> <br> > You=E2=80=99ve set up this false dichotomy in which we have to choose = between <br> > completely unregulated capitalism or regulations so onerous that they = <br> > eliminate all opportunities for a business to make a profit.<br> <br> I'm not saying business will never do anything if there's regulatio= ns, <br> just like businesses keep operating even though they are plagued by <br> thieves and crooks. Just because something won't bankrupt someone <br> doesn't make it right. It's morally wrong to steal from other peopl= e <br> whether or not you feel like their property belongs to you or not.<br> <br> -- <br> Jerry Baker<br> </p> </div> =20=20=20=20=20 <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--> <div style=3D"color: #fff; height: 0;">__._,_.___</div> =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 =20 =20=20=20=20 <div style=3D"clear:both"> </div> <div id=3D"fromDMARC" style=3D"margin-top: 10px;"> <hr style=3D"height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; background= -color:#E3E3E3;"> Posted by: Jerry Baker <jbaker6953-/[email protected]> <hr styl= e=3D"height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; background-color:#E3E3E3;"= > </div> <div style=3D"clear:both"> </div> <table cellspacing=3D4px style=3D"margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px= ; color: #2D50FD;"> <tbody> <tr> <td style=3D"font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; font-weight: bo= ld; padding: 7px 5px 5px;" > <a style=3D"text-decoration: none; color: #2D50FD= " href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EAC/conversations/messages/27= 941;_ylc=3DX3oDMTJwNmpxbzhoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI1NTc3OARncnBzcElkAzE3= MDUwMDc3MDkEbXNnSWQDMjc5NDEEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxNjAyNjI3OTU3?ac= t=3Dreply&messageNum=3D27941">Reply via web post</a> </td> <td>•</td> <td style=3D"font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; padding: 7px 5p= x 5px;" > <a href=3D"mailto:jbaker6953-/[email protected]?subject=3DRe%3A%20%5BEAC= %5D%20Yes%2C%20the%20EAC%20group%20is%20moving%21" style=3D"text-decoration= : none; color: #2D50FD;"> Reply to sender </a> </td> <td>•</td> <td style=3D"font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; padding: 7px 5p= x 5px;"> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject=3DRe%3A%20%5BEAC%= 5D%20Yes%2C%20the%20EAC%20group%20is%20moving%21" style=3D"text-decoration:= none; color: #2D50FD"> Reply to group </a> </td> <td>•</td> <td style=3D"font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; padding: 7px 5p= x 5px;" > <a href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EAC/conversation= s/newtopic;_ylc=3DX3oDMTJkMzVlY2N1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI1NTc3OARncnBzc= ElkAzE3MDUwMDc3MDkEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDbnRwYwRzdGltZQMxNjAyNjI3OTU3" style=3D"t= ext-decoration: none; color: #2D50FD">Start a New Topic</a> </td> <td>•</td> <td style=3D"font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; padding: 7px 5p= x 5px;color: #2D50FD;" > <a href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/= EAC/conversations/topics/27923;_ylc=3DX3oDMTM1cW9pYmtjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdyc= ElkAzI1NTc3OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwMDc3MDkEbXNnSWQDMjc5NDEEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDdnRw= YwRzdGltZQMxNjAyNjI3OTU3BHRwY0lkAzI3OTIz" style=3D"text-decoration: none; c= olor: #2D50FD;">Messages in this topic</a> (19) </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 <!------- Start Nav Bar ------> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> <div id=3D"ygrp-grfd" style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; p= adding: 15px 0;"> =20=20=20=20=20=20 <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to eac-unsubscribe@yahoo= groups.com<BR> <BR> Official Exact Audio Copy web site: <a href=3D"http://www.exactaudioc= opy.de/">http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/</a>=20=20=20=20=20=20 <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> </div> =20=20 =20 <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <div id=3D"ygrp-vital" style=3D"background-color: #f2f2f2; font-family: Ver= dana; font-size: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding: 10px;"> <span id=3D"vithd" style=3D"font-weight: bold; color: #333; text-transf= orm: uppercase; "><a href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EAC/info;_= ylc=3DX3oDMTJkazQ2ajJoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI1NTc3OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwM= Dc3MDkEc2VjA3Z0bARzbGsDdmdocARzdGltZQMxNjAyNjI3OTU3" style=3D"text-decorati= on: none;">Visit Your Group</a></span> <ul style=3D"list-style-type: none; margin: 0; padding: 0; display: in= line;"> </ul> </div> <div id=3D"ft" style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 11px; margin-top: 5p= x; padding: 0 2px 0 0; clear: both;"> <a href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=3DX3oDMTJjbHVqZHRxBF9TAzk3Mz= U5NzE0BGdycElkAzI1NTc3OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwMDc3MDkEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDZ2ZwBHN0a= W1lAzE2MDI2Mjc5NTc-" style=3D"float: left;"><img src=3D"https://s.yimg.com/= ru/0.9.12/min/css/yahoo_en-US_f_pw_101x21.png" height=3D"21" width=3D"101" = alt=3D"Yahoo! 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