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P.S. Our group also needs a service that doesn=E2=80=99t randomly reassign=
font faces and sizes. I assure you that the message I sent was in 13 pt. =
Helvetica, an easy-on-the-eyes sans serif font, not in the tiny, eye-squint=
, serif font that came back to me.
> On Oct 28, 2020, at 12:28 PM, Fred Maxwell [email protected] [EA=
C] <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Our EAC group needs a stable provider for whom listserver groups are a pr=
imary business focus. Google=E2=80=99s tendency to kill off services (http=
s://killedbygoogle.com <https://killedbygoogle.com/>) makes it a non-starte=
r. We don=E2=80=99t need another Yahoo situation in six months or a year w=
hen Google decides that Groups are not profitable (enough).
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> Directly adding in members is a good way to get sued or run afoul of data=
privacy laws. I don=E2=80=99t have the right to hand over a couple of thou=
sand other people=E2=80=99s email addresses to Groups.IO, Google, or any ot=
her firm. If you don=E2=80=99t trust Groups.IO, you may not want to give t=
hem your primary email address =E2=80=94 maybe you want to give them a serv=
ice-specific address you=E2=80=99ve set up on gmail or protonmail. Perhaps=
you regret having shared your full name and employer on Yahoo (e.g Kamir.B=
[email protected] <mailto:Kamir.Bhatt-2jDuttIhPCBCMj/3phTuiVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>) and w=
ish to use a more anonymous email address on Groups.IO. That=E2=80=99s up =
to you, not to me, Don, Andre, or anyone else.
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> There=E2=80=99s a reason why Verizon/Yahoo didn=E2=80=99t just sell the Y=
ahoo Groups business to some other provider; I would not be at all surprise=
d to learn that the lawyers advised them against selling our archived messa=
ges and email addresses. (I=E2=80=99m not a lawyer, but I play one on the =
Internet.)
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>> I don't see anything that is remotely useful in the premium group for th=
e nature of this group.
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> So it=E2=80=99s not =E2=80=9Cremotely useful=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6
> for Don to be able to enter your new email address if you lose access to =
the one you used to join the group?
> for Don to be able to ban some Chinese domain that has users join and spa=
m the group on a daily basis?
> to have a Wiki that provides information and answers to commonly asked qu=
estions about EAC installation, use, and configuration?=20=20
> to set up subgroups that discuss topics like optical drive performance, c=
reating media for streaming players, music players and tag editors, etc.?
> to be able to invite someone having trouble with EAC setup to join me in =
a =E2=80=9Cchat=E2=80=9D on Groups.IO?
> to take donations to pay for Andre=E2=80=99s hosting costs for Exact Audi=
o Copy website and files, or to pay for the Premium tier of Groups.IO?
> I see plenty of useful features there but, in the end, it=E2=80=99s up to=
Don and Andre to determine if the cost is justified and who will pay it. =
If each of the members on the Yahoo EAC group were to pay $.10 per year, it=
would completely cover the cost for the Groups.IO Premium service. So let=
=E2=80=99s suppose that only 10% of them join the new list. Then they will=
each have to pay nearly $0.10 per month! Oh the horror!
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> In the end, it=E2=80=99s up to Don and Andre whether the group opts for t=
he premium option, but it=E2=80=99s a decision probably better made after t=
he EAC Group is firmly established on Groups.IO.=20=20
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> Regards,
> Fred Maxwell
> Moderator, Exact Audio Copy Yahoogroup
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>> On Oct 28, 2020, at 11:08 AM, Shahrukh Merchant <shahrukh@shahrukhmercha=
nt.com <mailto:shahrukh-JBnn932roWprxK55Bk0MR1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>> wrote:
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>> Thanks for keeping this going. I have submitted the request for the othe=
r group. I don't know how many members there are in the current group, but =
I suspect fewer than half will actually resubscribe.
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>> Looking at the comparison of the free vs. premium group at https://group=
s.io/static/compare <https://groups.io/static/compare> I don't see anything=
that is remotely useful in the premium group for the nature of this group.=
(The only feature that could have been useful--Direct Add of members--is d=
isabled for the "1st free month of premium" offer anyway.)
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>> Not sure why Google Groups was not used here. Not that I'm a fan of Goog=
le and their very shaky record of support and abrupt cancellation of servic=
es, but I evaluated the two and chose Google Groups for my small group of 4=
0 members solely because they permitted direct add (only 10 at a time and m=
ax 100 per day, which was fine for my small group but probably doesn't help=
for large groups like this one).
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>> On 2020-10-28 7:30 AM, 'D. Resor' [email protected] <mailto:organlis=
[email protected]> [EAC] wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>> This is to let all users of EAC on Yahoogroups of the new [ExactAudioCo=
py] usership on groups.io <http://groups.io/>.
>>> To join the new list, send a blank email to ExactAudioCopy+subscribe@gr=
oups.io <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:ExactAudioCopy+=
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>> Upon approval, you can create new messages/posts with the email address=
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:ExactAu=
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>> For the first month the group will be at the premium level.For it to co=
ntinue at the premium level the cost is $20.00 a month or $220.00 per year.
>>> Thank You
>>> Donald R. Resor Jr. T. W. & T. C. Svc. Co.
>>> http://hammondorganservice.com <http://hammondorganservice.com/>
>>> Hammond USA warranty service
>>> "Most people don=E2=80=99t have a sense of humor. They think they do, b=
ut they don=E2=80=99t." --Jonathan Winters
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<p><font size=3D"2" class>P.S. Our group also needs a service t=
hat doesn=E2=80=99t randomly reassign font faces and sizes. I assure =
you that the message I sent was in 13 pt. Helvetica, an easy-on-the-eyes sa=
ns serif font, not in the tiny, eye-squint, serif font that came back to me=
..<br class></font><div><font size=3D"2" class><br class></font><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class><div class>On Oct 28, 2020, at 12:28 PM, Fred Maxwell <=
a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" class>[email protected]=
om</a> [EAC] <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" class>EAC@yahoogrou=
ps.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div cla=
ss><div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"font-size: 13px;font-family: Arial, helv=
etica, clean, sans-serif;font-style: normal;font-weight: normal;letter-spac=
ing: normal;text-align: start;text-indent: 0px;text-transform: none;white-s=
pace: normal;word-spacing: 0px;" class><div id=3D"ygrp-msg" class><div id=
=3D"ygrp-text" style=3D"font-family: Georgia;" class><div style=3D"margin: =
0px 0px 1em;" class><br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=
><span class style=3D"font-size: small;">Our EAC group needs a stable provi=
der for whom listserver groups are a primary business focus. Google=
=E2=80=99s tendency to kill off services (</span><a href=3D"https://killedb=
ygoogle.com/" class>https://killedbygoogle.com</a><span class style=3D"font=
-size: small;">) makes it a non-starter. We don=E2=80=99t need anothe=
r Yahoo situation in six months or a year when Google decides that Groups a=
re not profitable (enough).</span></div><div class><font size=3D"2" class><=
br class></font></div><div class><font size=3D"2" class><i class>Directly a=
dding in members is a good way to get sued or run afoul of data privacy law=
s.</i><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>I don=E2=80=99t ha=
ve the right to hand over a couple of thousand other people=E2=80=99s email=
addresses to Groups.IO, Google, or any other firm. If you don=E2=80=
=99t trust Groups.IO, you may not want to give them your primary email addr=
ess =E2=80=94 maybe you want to give them a service-specific address you=E2=
=80=99ve set up on gmail or protonmail. Perhaps you regret having sha=
red your full name and employer on Yahoo (e.g<span class=3D"Apple-converted=
-space"> </span><a href=3D"mailto:Kamir.Bhatt-2jDuttIhPCBCMj/3phTuiVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org" cl=
ass>[email protected]</a>) and wish to use a more anonymous=
email address on Groups.IO. That=E2=80=99s up to you, not to me, Don=
, Andre, or anyone else.</font></div><div class><font size=3D"2" class><br =
class></font></div><div class><font size=3D"2" class>There=E2=80=99s a reas=
on why Verizon/Yahoo didn=E2=80=99t just sell the Yahoo Groups business to =
some other provider; I would not be at all surprised to learn that the lawy=
ers advised them against selling our archived messages and email addresses.=
(I=E2=80=99m not a lawyer, but I play one on the Internet.)</font></=
div><div class><font size=3D"2" class><br class></font></div><div class><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite" class style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 4px;"><font size=
=3D"2" class>I don't see anything that is remotely useful in the premium gr=
oup for the nature of this group.</font></blockquote><font size=3D"2" class=
><br class></font></div><div class><font size=3D"2" class>So it=E2=80=99s n=
ot =E2=80=9Cremotely useful=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6</font></div><div class><ul cl=
ass><li class><span class style=3D"font-size: small;">for Don to be able to=
enter your new email address if you lose access to the one you used to joi=
n the group?</span></li><li class><span class style=3D"font-size: small;">f=
or Don to be able to ban some Chinese domain that has users join and spam t=
he group on a daily basis?</span></li><li class><span class style=3D"font-s=
ize: small;">to have a Wiki that provides information and answers to common=
ly asked questions about EAC installation, use, and configuration? </=
span></li><li class><span class style=3D"font-size: small;">to set up subgr=
oups that discuss topics like optical drive performance, creating media for=
streaming players, music players and tag editors, etc.?</span></li><li cla=
ss><span class style=3D"font-size: small;">to be able to invite someone hav=
ing trouble with EAC setup to join me in a =E2=80=9Cchat=E2=80=9D on Groups=
..IO?</span></li><li class><span class style=3D"font-size: small;">to take d=
onations to pay for Andre=E2=80=99s hosting costs for Exact Audio Copy webs=
ite and files, or to pay for the Premium tier of Groups.IO?</span></li></ul=
></div><div class><span class style=3D"font-size: small;">I see plenty of u=
seful features there but, in the end, it=E2=80=99s up to Don and Andre to d=
etermine if the cost is justified and who will pay it. If each of the=
members on the Yahoo EAC group were to pay $.10 per year, it would complet=
ely cover the cost for the Groups.IO Premium service. So let=E2=80=99=
s suppose that only 10% of them join the new list. Then they will eac=
h have to pay nearly $0.10 per month! Oh the horror!</span></div><div=
class><font size=3D"2" class><br class></font></div><div class><font size=
=3D"2" class>In the end, it=E2=80=99s up to Don and Andre whether the group=
opts for the premium option, but it=E2=80=99s a decision probably better m=
ade after the EAC Group is firmly established on Groups.IO. </font></=
div><div class><font size=3D"2" class><br class></font></div><div class><di=
v class><font size=3D"2" class><span class style=3D"font-style: normal;font=
-weight: normal;letter-spacing: normal;text-align: start;text-indent: 0px;t=
ext-transform: none;white-space: normal;word-spacing: 0px;float: none;">Reg=
ards,</span><br class style=3D"font-style: normal;font-weight: normal;lette=
r-spacing: normal;text-align: start;text-indent: 0px;text-transform: none;w=
hite-space: normal;word-spacing: 0px;"><span class style=3D"font-style: nor=
mal;font-weight: normal;letter-spacing: normal;text-align: start;text-inden=
t: 0px;text-transform: none;white-space: normal;word-spacing: 0px;float: no=
ne;"> Fred Maxwell</span><br class style=3D"font-style: normal;font-w=
eight: normal;letter-spacing: normal;text-align: start;text-indent: 0px;tex=
t-transform: none;white-space: normal;word-spacing: 0px;"><span class style=
=3D"font-style: normal;font-weight: normal;letter-spacing: normal;text-alig=
n: start;text-indent: 0px;text-transform: none;white-space: normal;word-spa=
cing: 0px;float: none;"> Moderator, Exact Audio Copy Yahoogroup</span=
></font></div><br class><div class><blockquote type=3D"cite" class style=3D=
"margin: 0px 0px 0px 4px;"><div class>On Oct 28, 2020, at 11:08 AM, Shahruk=
h Merchant <<a href=3D"mailto:shahrukh-JBnn932roWprxK55Bk0MR1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org" class>shahr=
ukh-JBnn932roWprxK55Bk0MR1aTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange=
-newline"><div class><div class>Thanks for keeping this going. I have submi=
tted the request for the other group. I don't know how many members there a=
re in the current group, but I suspect fewer than half will actually resubs=
cribe.<br class><br class>Looking at the comparison of the free vs. premium=
group at<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href=3D"http=
s://groups.io/static/compare" class>https://groups.io/static/compare</a><sp=
an class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>I don't see anything that i=
s remotely useful in the premium group for the nature of this group. (The o=
nly feature that could have been useful--Direct Add of members--is disabled=
for the "1st free month of premium" offer anyway.)<br class><br class>Not =
sure why Google Groups was not used here. Not that I'm a fan of Google and =
their very shaky record of support and abrupt cancellation of services, but=
I evaluated the two and chose Google Groups for my small group of 40 membe=
rs solely because they permitted direct add (only 10 at a time and max 100 =
per day, which was fine for my small group but probably doesn't help for la=
rge groups like this one).<br class><br class>On 2020-10-28 7:30 AM, 'D. Re=
sor'<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href=3D"mailto:or=
[email protected]" class>[email protected]</a><span class=3D"Apple-co=
nverted-space"> </span>[EAC] wrote:<br class><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
class style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 4px;">Hello all,<br class>This is to le=
t all users of EAC on Yahoogroups of the new [ExactAudioCopy] usership on<s=
pan class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href=3D"http://groups.i=
o/" class>groups.io</a>.<br class>To join the new list, send a blank email =
to<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href=3D"mailto:Exac=
[email protected]" class>ExactAudioCopy+[email protected]=
o</a><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email protected]" class>mailto:ExactAudioCopy+subs=
[email protected]</a>><br class>Upon approval, you can create new messages=
/posts with the email address<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </=
span><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" class>ExactAudioCopy@group=
s.io</a><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email protected]" class>mailto:[email protected]</a>&g=
t;<br class>For the first month the group will be at the premium level.For =
it to continue at the premium level the cost is $20.00 a month or $220.00 p=
er year.<br class>Thank You<br class>Donald R. Resor Jr. T. W. & T. C. =
Svc. Co.<br class><a href=3D"http://hammondorganservice.com/" class>http://=
hammondorganservice.com</a><br class>Hammond USA warranty service<br class>=
"Most people don=E2=80=99t have a sense of humor. They think they do, but t=
hey don=E2=80=99t." --Jonathan Winters<br class><br class></blockquote><br =
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