Re: Re: [nadmin-dev] M-P issues

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~From #midgard:
(11:37:06) bergie: did you guys read the network services thread on
nadmin-dev?
(11:37:15) Spike_Spiegel: yes
(11:38:36) bergie: this is a big problem
(11:38:36) Spike_Spiegel: I would vote not for sourceforge, but for
tigris.org
(11:39:00) Spike_Spiegel: sourceforge changed their license recently -
it's not good...
(11:39:02) bergie: sourceforge sucks badly, but then again, so does the
current situation
(11:39:39) bergie: but tigris.org is subversion
(11:39:47) Spike_Spiegel: tigris.org has: CVS, bugzilla
(11:39:51) Spike_Spiegel: no
(11:40:01) Spike_Spiegel: subversion is just hosted on tigris.org
(11:40:44) bergie: ah, ok
(11:41:01) Spike_Spiegel:
http://www.tigris.org/nonav/DomainFAQ.html#whattools
(11:41:05) bergie: I would actually like to have more stuff running *in*
Midgard instead of as outside services
(11:41:20) bergie: I mean, if we go to tigris, we still can't run the
website there
(11:41:51) Spike_Spiegel: that's true. but we will have stable set of
developer-services
(11:42:11) sergei: but what about GNU?
(11:42:31) bergie: FSF is certainly one alternative. But they don't like
PHP license
(11:42:32) Spike_Spiegel: sergei: what do you mean?
(11:42:50) bergie: http://savannah.gnu.org/
(11:43:14) sergei: bergie: yes
(11:43:20) sergei: I just forgot its name
(11:43:29) Spike_Spiegel: it still uses sourceforge system as a basis...
their bugtracker sucks
(11:43:36) bergie: Two editors, Epoz and BXE are going to be hosted by
OSCOM. But I think OSCOM can't host a CMS project
(11:44:13) bergie: What could be interesting would be to find another
big project we could collaborate with and get hosted by them
(11:45:00) Spike_Spiegel: that's why I mentioned tigris. it is a
project, actually. they don't give hosting to everyone
(11:45:18) sergei: bergie: php.net, apache.org, mysql.com?
(11:45:43) bergie: sergei: yep, something like that. Or even gnome.org
or openoffice.org if we could establish some common interest
(11:46:15) Spike_Spiegel: "Tigris.org is a mid-sized open source
community focused on building better tools for collaborative software
development...."
(11:46:30) Spike_Spiegel: I think CMF fits just fine there
(11:47:22) bergie: true. We should discuss this on the list
(11:48:37) bergie: I think it is kind of obvious we can't continue the
same way we've done so far. But I'm a bit scared of moving to an
external service we have zero control of
(11:49:04) bergie: I mean, if collabnet bankcrupts tomorrow, what will
happen with our CVS, mailing lists, ...
(11:50:22) bergie: apache.org would be a perfect match. But, they want
change of license and assignment of copyrights, and both are issues. I
wrote a proposal last summer but we decided not to go forward with it
then... http://www.nehmer.net/~bergie/midgard-apache-incubator.html
(11:51:01) sergei: bergie: apache license is a kind of bsd? Or not?
(11:52:32) bergie: yep, BSD with an "advertisement clause"
(11:52:59) bergie: For example, Red Hat can't sell "Red Hat Apache
Server" but they could sell "Red Hat Web Server powered by Apache"
(11:53:37) bergie: http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
(11:54:06) bergie: Wyona got their CMS into Apache...
http://cocoon.apache.org/lenya/
(11:55:11) Spike_Spiegel: yes. but it's Java.. and apache likes java
(11:56:08) bergie: yep. But PHP is also an Apache project
(11:56:20) Spike_Spiegel: alternative way could be a deal with some
major ISP..
(12:01:45) bergie: That doesn't help with managing developer & community
services
(12:03:24) Spike_Spiegel: well, anyway... I vote for tigris.org.
Probably I won't be able to participate in discussion - I will be mostly
offline one week since tonight


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