RE: Not to beat a dead horse...but

David,

   I don't think IBM is happy about us using VM/370 or MVS3.8J, but
there is very little they can do about it. I am sure they find it very
embarassing that we are still using old versions of the OS when they
want people to pay for new versions. They use software licenseing to
drive hardware sales. So for example the second hand value of a 4381 for
example is virtually nil as you can license an OS to run on it. This is
a pity as IBMs main competitors do allow hobby use of old versions of
their OS's or have low cost personal use licenses. So SUN Solaris and
DEC VMS, TOPS10 and TOPS20 can be legally licensed for personal use on
emulators. SUN OS 4.1.3 is also avaiable free for older SUN 3 machines
which are unsupported for users who can't run the latest OS. Other such
as SCO and Novell don't. 

Dave.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: etpcorp [mailto:etpcorp-/[email protected]] 
> Sent: 27 June 2004 08:08
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [hercules-advocacy] Not to beat a dead horse...but
> 
> 
>   I've seen in many a threads on the various Hercules groups about 
> IBM's refusal to make more recent versions of VM/VSE/MVS available 
> for hercules...but...
> 
>   Has anyone proposed to IBM that obsolete versions, such as the SP 
> versions of the OS be made available for sale to hobbyists?  I don't 
> know if y'all would be willing to pay for it, but I would probably 
> shell out a little cash for VM/SP or VSE/SP to run on Hercules.
> 
>   As for me, my first experience on the mainframe was as an operator 
> on DOS/VSE.  I don't remember the version, but I believe it was the 
> version that was the immediate predecessor to VSE/SP.
> 
>   Just a thought.  I know we would like it for free, but it is IBM's 
> property, even if the SP versions have long since been obsolete.
> 
> Regards to Herculeans.
> 
> David
> 
> 
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