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--DEYr9koHmRuGACGT6hWRbJT3jFxWcx6ftliPjhc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --- In [email protected], Mike Schwab <Mike.A.Schwab@...> wrote: > On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:36 PM, >"Fish" (David B. Trout) <fish@...> wrote: >> somitcw wrote: >>> Fish wrote: >> [...] >>>> (**) It is absolutely FREAKING **>> OUTRAGEOUS <<** >>>>the cost of healthcare in this country!! =A0>8-< >>> You don't want us to be number one in healthcare cost >>>in the world anymore? On the main group, I didn't want to mention that we pay double what many high price countries pay and have the worst infant mortality of any industrial country on the planet. We rank about number 35 for longevity. Even if our health system cost half as much, it would still be pathetic. >> I never said that nor implied it. >> I was simply lamenting the total cost of a few >>visits to the hospital. >> My wife caught pneumonia on New Year's day a year ago. >>Called a taxi and told them to take us to the hospital. >>(We haven't owned a car in over 15 years and so rely >>on public transportation.) I had walking pneumonia in 1981 but was too dumb to figger out what I had. Made an appointment with an allopath for day or two later. He sent me across the hall to his friend that had an X-Ray machine, went back, the original doctor read the X-Ray and called it pleurisy. I already knew what the antique word was. I think that I trashed the prescription or bought it but didn't take any. I believe that the total was less than U$D100 and didn't bother with insurance. Today, it would have cost a fortune and they would have prescribed an expensive placebo like tamiflu. I've only used health insurance once and quickly found that I didn't want the doctor to work for an insurance company, I wanted the doctor to work for me. It was only minor injuries of me falling down tall steps backwards with a refrigerator on top. My head used a concrete wall to break the fall but I don't understand how the force of impact did not break the wall. I'll wait for some more experienced help the next time I need to move a refrigerator. The cost that the insurance paid was trivial. A few stitches are not that expensive. I'll never use insurance again unless it is for something extremely expensive. >> They took us to the "wrong" hospital. They took us >>to one we had never been to before, but a hospital >>is a hospital, right? >> She was in a room for a grand total of ABOUT 6 hours. >>In that 6 hours they gave her some IV solution. They >>gave her some inhalation therapy. They took an x-ray. >>They reviewed the x-ray, talked to her for 15 minutes, >>prescribed some medication and sent us home. >> Four days later she was still feeling badly, so we >>called our "normal" hospital (the one we usually go to). >>They said to bring her in immediately. We did so. >> THEY went through the exact same procedure: IV, >>inhalation therapy, x-ray, 15 minutes with the >>doctor, here's your prescription now get out >>of here. Time spent: about 6 hours again. >> My visits were for sciatica. They left me in a room >>for a hour or two, gave me some meds (opiates; I was >>in extreme pain), did a leg lift examination, >>prescribed different meds, sent me home. About three >>weeks later I went through the same procedure again >>(the meds only lasted less than a week and then the >>pain came back (heh! no pun intended) IN FORCE. >>Worse than before. >> That's why I went back.), but this time demanded >>an x-ray or MRI or whatever, to determine what the >>underlying CAUSE was so we could treat THAT instead >>of simply treating the fucking SYMPTOMS like they were. >> Had an MRI done under sedation (general anesthesia). >> Grand total so far (that we KNOW of; they keep >>sending bills from many different places. From >>different departments in the hospital, from >>different doctor groups, medical groups, etc. >>We got bills from over a dozen different places!) >>was almost $14,000. (The actual total is probably >>much more than that but that was the total at the >>time we filed for bankruptcy). >> $14,000+ for what? >> 6 hours in a room, twice. >> 2-3 hours in a room, twice, >> 2 x-rays. >> Some medication. >> A grand total of about 30 minutes attention >>from the nursing staff. >> A grand total of about 20-30 minutes talking to >>a doctor. >> Is that fair? >> In my opinion it is not. >> The only reason they're charging so much is they >>can get away with it. >> And my "they" I mean the entire medical industry. >>The drug manufacturers. The insurance companies. >>(You wouldn't believe what they charge a doctor for >>malpractice insurance these days!) The hospitals. >>The MRI machine and x-ray machine manufacturers. >>The manufacturers of plastic tubing and plastic >>hoses. The manufacturers of hospital beds. Oxygen >>supply companies. Food service. Etc, etc, etc... >> It's like the military that gets charged $600 for >>a toilet seat. It's nuts. >> It's pure capitalism at its worse. They know they've >>got us by the balls. When we're sick or in pain or >>our very life is threatened, they can charge whatever >>outrageous price they want because they know we'll >>pay it. We can't "shop around" when it's an emergency. You are 100% wrong. Capitalism is competition. Big Pharma, big medicine, big insurance, and others purchase laws to lock out everyone except them. Big food, agri, auto, and many others do the same. Big pharma then require the FDA to require the AMA to require the doctors to treat for as long as possible with expensive procedures and expensive drugs but avoid a cure. For thousands of years, medicine was simple. You went to a doctor, described the symptoms, received advice for herbs, diet, exercises, sunlight, or other cures. Many of their cures are now outlawed. Osteopathic medicine is about all that is left but even that is under heavy controls and its use is discouraged. >> For routine doctor visits, yeah, we can shop around. >>But most of them are working for the insurance industry. >> "Medical insurance" >> Think about what that means! >> Insurance is a business wherein you pay money without >>ever expecting to get it back. No one expects to have >>an accident or plans to have one or eventually WANTS >>to have one. The only thing they EXPECT is that, god >>forbid, if/when they DO happen to need medical >>attention, that it's paid for. That's why they're >>paying their premium! >> But insurance companies HATE paying claims, because >>paying claims is a "loss". They lose money when they >>pay claims, so they go to great lengths to purposely >>AVOID having to pay claims, so they can make the >>maximum profit possible. >> A profit at the "expense" of the very people they >>"claim" they are trying to help! >> It's nuts! >> Their incentive is to *deny* claims. Their incentive >>is to *deny* medical attention. Their incentive is >>BACKWARDS! >> Why? Because they're an INSURANCE business. >> Before medical practice got fucked things up with >>"managed health care" (i.e. the medical insurance >>scam), there were just doctors. People with medical >>skills that hung a shingle out and offered people >>their services for a reasonable fee. >> Many of them came to your house with their little >>black bag when you called them. When was the last >>time you saw that? >> In those days if you didn't like the SERVICE your >>doctor was giving you, you went to a different one. >>He lost business, the other one gained. >> The incentive was to provide the best service possible >>for the best price! If you didn't provide good service >>or if your prices were too high, you didn't make money >>(or as much) due to lack of customers. >> Thus the incentive BEFORE the insurance industry fucked >>things up, was to PROVIDE medical care, not to deny it >>like today! >> Today's bullshit system makes me sick to my stomach. >> Why can't people just do the right thing instead of >>whatever they can get away with to make a buck? >> Call me an idealist. I firmly believe that if one does >>the right the money will eventually come. >> But unfortunately the bad guys (i.e. capitalists with >>no morals) prefer to short-circuit the system and screw >>over anyone and everyone they can get away with in order >>to make some short term fast money, so they can skip >>town and repeat the whole thing all over again. >> It's sickening. >> Literally. >> -- >> "Fish"=A0(David B. Trout) >> =A0fish@... >> ------------------------------------ >> Yahoo! Groups Links You seem to be blaming the insurance companies for the hospital bills. If the hospital bills were reasonable, the insurance companies would only be needed for catastrophic illness. Get rid of about 99% or our laws and switch to a capitalistic system and prices would drop to a fraction of what they are now and health would improve like you remember from 60 years ago. Japan had a horrible infant mortality rate. Not near as bad as the U.S.A. but still horrible. They passed one law and infant mortality immediately became the lowest of any country on the planet. They had outlawed giving children below two years of age any vaccine. Just stopping DPT/SIDS had to have a huge impact. No more MMR so no more measles brain seizures until the children could tolerate it better. Politics and the international medical community made them ease up on the law and then repeal it so it didn't last too long. > And the bills you don't pay get rolled over into next >years increased rate that cause even more people to >file for bankruptcy. Until everyone gets insurance >that pays most bills (single payer). Charging $14,000 for minor treatment is what needs to be fixed. It is wrong to force 34 million people to purchase medical insurance whether they like allopathic medicine or not or have the money for the ridicules premiums or not or live near the Mexican border so can go across as needed or can fly to South Africa for needed procedures cheaper than paying for them in the U.S.A. Claiming that forcing the remaining claim of ten percent or other claimed percentage to purchase a product that they either don't want or cannot afford will not cut insurance premiums in half. Since most people without insurance avoid medical care, the extra people forced under the insurance racket will not reduce insurance premiums at all. The greater control of all peoples health costs can only increase medical costs. i.e. Removing any remaining choice is not the way to drive down prices. The problem is not a lack of laws controlling what ever U.S. subject does and says. The problem is the laws controlling what ever U.S. subject does and says.=20=20 > Illinois has a Medicare program, but no dentist accepts >their payments. Medicaid MDs are few and far between. >Medicare (over 65) is not much more. Good. Bankrupt or boycott government give-away programs. They are not good for the people that receive them and are not good for the economy and are not good for the taxpayers. Taxpayers should not be paying for big government to destroy peoples initiative. It ain't right. > Ever see Sicko? http://sickothemovie.com/ > How about 'The Awful Truth' first episode segment > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0915881/ "Funeral at an HMO" >about several people dying due to denied insurance approval. > --=20 > Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA > Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? The government and government/business caused problems are clear. The question is how to fix: 1. Since government control does not work, add more controls to cause the problem to be worse. 2. Since government control does not work, get rid of government controls. i.e. If I want to open an "anti-doctor" shop next door, let me. I'll give medicine and treatments like doctors have done for thousands of years. I will ignore all government control of healthful cures. My aim would be to cure and avoid treatment with lifetime daily shots and pills for people. I would be locked up the first day. Even quicker than the people running the raw milk co-opt. --DEYr9koHmRuGACGT6hWRbJT3jFxWcx6ftliPjhc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/htm= l4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> <body style=3D"background-color: #fff;"> <span style=3D"display:none"> </span> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"position:relative;"> <div id=3D"ygrp-msg" style=3D"z-index: 1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-text" > =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <p>--- In <a href=3D"mailto:hercules-advocacy%40yahoogroups.com">herc= [email protected]</a>,<br> Mike Schwab <Mike.A.Schwab@...> wrote:<br> > On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:36 PM,<br> >"Fish" (David B. Trout) <fish@...> wrote:<br> >> somitcw wrote:<br> >>> Fish wrote:<br> >> [...]<br> >>>> (**) It is absolutely FREAKING **>> OUTRAGEOUS <&= lt;**<br> >>>>the cost of healthcare in this country!! =A0>8-<<br> >>> You don't want us to be number one in healthcare cost<br> >>>in the world anymore?<br> <br> On the main group, I didn't want to mention that<br> we pay double what many high price countries pay<br> and have the worst infant mortality of any industrial<br> country on the planet. We rank about number 35 for<br> longevity. Even if our health system cost half as<br> much, it would still be pathetic.<br> <br> >> I never said that nor implied it.<br> >> I was simply lamenting the total cost of a few<br> >>visits to the hospital.<br> >> My wife caught pneumonia on New Year's day a year ago.<br> >>Called a taxi and told them to take us to the hospital.<br> >>(We haven't owned a car in over 15 years and so rely<br> >>on public transportation.)<br> <br> I had walking pneumonia in 1981 but was too dumb to<br> figger out what I had. Made an appointment with an<br> allopath for day or two later. He sent me across the<br> hall to his friend that had an X-Ray machine, went back,<br> the original doctor read the X-Ray and called it pleurisy.<br> I already knew what the antique word was. I think that<br> I trashed the prescription or bought it but didn't take<br> any. I believe that the total was less than U$D100 and<br> didn't bother with insurance.<br> <br> Today, it would have cost a fortune and they would<br> have prescribed an expensive placebo like tamiflu.<br> <br> I've only used health insurance once and quickly<br> found that I didn't want the doctor to work for an<br> insurance company, I wanted the doctor to work for me.<br> It was only minor injuries of me falling down tall<br> steps backwards with a refrigerator on top. My head<br> used a concrete wall to break the fall but I don't<br> understand how the force of impact did not break<br> the wall. I'll wait for some more experienced<br> help the next time I need to move a refrigerator.<br> The cost that the insurance paid was trivial.<br> A few stitches are not that expensive. I'll never<br> use insurance again unless it is for something<br> extremely expensive.<br> <br> >> They took us to the "wrong" hospital. They took us<br> >>to one we had never been to before, but a hospital<br> >>is a hospital, right?<br> >> She was in a room for a grand total of ABOUT 6 hours.<br> >>In that 6 hours they gave her some IV solution. They<br> >>gave her some inhalation therapy. They took an x-ray.<br> >>They reviewed the x-ray, talked to her for 15 minutes,<br> >>prescribed some medication and sent us home.<br> >> Four days later she was still feeling badly, so we<br> >>called our "normal" hospital (the one we usually go to).<= br> >>They said to bring her in immediately. We did so.<br> >> THEY went through the exact same procedure: IV,<br> >>inhalation therapy, x-ray, 15 minutes with the<br> >>doctor, here's your prescription now get out<br> >>of here. Time spent: about 6 hours again.<br> >> My visits were for sciatica. They left me in a room<br> >>for a hour or two, gave me some meds (opiates; I was<br> >>in extreme pain), did a leg lift examination,<br> >>prescribed different meds, sent me home. About three<br> >>weeks later I went through the same procedure again<br> >>(the meds only lasted less than a week and then the<br> >>pain came back (heh! no pun intended) IN FORCE.<br> >>Worse than before.<br> >> That's why I went back.), but this time demanded<br> >>an x-ray or MRI or whatever, to determine what the<br> >>underlying CAUSE was so we could treat THAT instead<br> >>of simply treating the fucking SYMPTOMS like they were.<br> >> Had an MRI done under sedation (general anesthesia).<br> >> Grand total so far (that we KNOW of; they keep<br> >>sending bills from many different places. From<br> >>different departments in the hospital, from<br> >>different doctor groups, medical groups, etc.<br> >>We got bills from over a dozen different places!)<br> >>was almost $14,000. (The actual total is probably<br> >>much more than that but that was the total at the<br> >>time we filed for bankruptcy).<br> >> $14,000+ for what?<br> >> 6 hours in a room, twice.<br> >> 2-3 hours in a room, twice,<br> >> 2 x-rays.<br> >> Some medication.<br> >> A grand total of about 30 minutes attention<br> >>from the nursing staff.<br> >> A grand total of about 20-30 minutes talking to<br> >>a doctor.<br> >> Is that fair?<br> >> In my opinion it is not.<br> >> The only reason they're charging so much is they<br> >>can get away with it.<br> >> And my "they" I mean the entire medical industry.<br> >>The drug manufacturers. The insurance companies.<br> >>(You wouldn't believe what they charge a doctor for<br> >>malpractice insurance these days!) The hospitals.<br> >>The MRI machine and x-ray machine manufacturers.<br> >>The manufacturers of plastic tubing and plastic<br> >>hoses. The manufacturers of hospital beds. Oxygen<br> >>supply companies. Food service. Etc, etc, etc...<br> >> It's like the military that gets charged $600 for<br> >>a toilet seat. It's nuts.<br> >> It's pure capitalism at its worse. They know they've<br> >>got us by the balls. When we're sick or in pain or<br> >>our very life is threatened, they can charge whatever<br> >>outrageous price they want because they know we'll<br> >>pay it. We can't "shop around" when it's an emergency.<br= > <br> You are 100% wrong. Capitalism is competition.<br> Big Pharma, big medicine, big insurance, and others<br> purchase laws to lock out everyone except them.<br> Big food, agri, auto, and many others do the same.<br> Big pharma then require the FDA to require the AMA to<br> require the doctors to treat for as long as possible<br> with expensive procedures and expensive drugs but<br> avoid a cure.<br> <br> For thousands of years, medicine was simple.<br> You went to a doctor, described the symptoms,<br> received advice for herbs, diet, exercises,<br> sunlight, or other cures. Many of their cures<br> are now outlawed. Osteopathic medicine is about<br> all that is left but even that is under heavy<br> controls and its use is discouraged.<br> <br> >> For routine doctor visits, yeah, we can shop around.<br> >>But most of them are working for the insurance industry.<br> >> "Medical insurance"<br> >> Think about what that means!<br> >> Insurance is a business wherein you pay money without<br> >>ever expecting to get it back. No one expects to have<br> >>an accident or plans to have one or eventually WANTS<br> >>to have one. The only thing they EXPECT is that, god<br> >>forbid, if/when they DO happen to need medical<br> >>attention, that it's paid for. That's why they're<br> >>paying their premium!<br> >> But insurance companies HATE paying claims, because<br> >>paying claims is a "loss". They lose money when they<br> >>pay claims, so they go to great lengths to purposely<br> >>AVOID having to pay claims, so they can make the<br> >>maximum profit possible.<br> >> A profit at the "expense" of the very people they<br> >>"claim" they are trying to help!<br> >> It's nuts!<br> >> Their incentive is to *deny* claims. Their incentive<br> >>is to *deny* medical attention. Their incentive is<br> >>BACKWARDS!<br> >> Why? Because they're an INSURANCE business.<br> >> Before medical practice got fucked things up with<br> >>"managed health care" (i.e. the medical insurance<br> >>scam), there were just doctors. People with medical<br> >>skills that hung a shingle out and offered people<br> >>their services for a reasonable fee.<br> >> Many of them came to your house with their little<br> >>black bag when you called them. When was the last<br> >>time you saw that?<br> >> In those days if you didn't like the SERVICE your<br> >>doctor was giving you, you went to a different one.<br> >>He lost business, the other one gained.<br> >> The incentive was to provide the best service possible<br> >>for the best price! If you didn't provide good service<br> >>or if your prices were too high, you didn't make money<br> >>(or as much) due to lack of customers.<br> >> Thus the incentive BEFORE the insurance industry fucked<br> >>things up, was to PROVIDE medical care, not to deny it<br> >>like today!<br> >> Today's bullshit system makes me sick to my stomach.<br> >> Why can't people just do the right thing instead of<br> >>whatever they can get away with to make a buck?<br> >> Call me an idealist. I firmly believe that if one does<br> >>the right the money will eventually come.<br> >> But unfortunately the bad guys (i.e. capitalists with<br> >>no morals) prefer to short-circuit the system and screw<br> >>over anyone and everyone they can get away with in order<br> >>to make some short term fast money, so they can skip<br> >>town and repeat the whole thing all over again.<br> >> It's sickening.<br> >> Literally.<br> >> --<br> >> "Fish"=A0(David B. Trout)<br> >> =A0fish@...<br> >> ------------------------------------<br> >> Yahoo! Groups Links<br> <br> You seem to be blaming the insurance companies<br> for the hospital bills. If the hospital bills were<br> reasonable, the insurance companies would only be<br> needed for catastrophic illness.<br> <br> Get rid of about 99% or our laws and switch to<br> a capitalistic system and prices would drop to a<br> fraction of what they are now and health would<br> improve like you remember from 60 years ago.<br> <br> Japan had a horrible infant mortality rate.<br> Not near as bad as the U.S.A. but still horrible.<br> They passed one law and infant mortality immediately<br> became the lowest of any country on the planet.<br> They had outlawed giving children below two years<br> of age any vaccine. Just stopping DPT/SIDS had to<br> have a huge impact. No more MMR so no more measles<br> brain seizures until the children could tolerate it<br> better. Politics and the international medical<br> community made them ease up on the law and then<br> repeal it so it didn't last too long.<br> <br> > And the bills you don't pay get rolled over into next<br> >years increased rate that cause even more people to<br> >file for bankruptcy. Until everyone gets insurance<br> >that pays most bills (single payer).<br> <br> Charging $14,000 for minor treatment is what needs<br> to be fixed. It is wrong to force 34 million people<br> to purchase medical insurance whether they like<br> allopathic medicine or not or have the money for the<br> ridicules premiums or not or live near the Mexican<br> border so can go across as needed or can fly to<br> South Africa for needed procedures cheaper than<br> paying for them in the U.S.A.<br> <br> Claiming that forcing the remaining claim of ten<br> percent or other claimed percentage to purchase a<br> product that they either don't want or cannot afford<br> will not cut insurance premiums in half. Since most<br> people without insurance avoid medical care, the<br> extra people forced under the insurance racket will<br> not reduce insurance premiums at all. The greater<br> control of all peoples health costs can only increase<br> medical costs. i.e. Removing any remaining choice<br> is not the way to drive down prices.<br> <br> The problem is not a lack of laws controlling what<br> ever U.S. subject does and says. The problem is the<br> laws controlling what ever U.S. subject does and says. <br> <br> > Illinois has a Medicare program, but no dentist accepts<br> >their payments. Medicaid MDs are few and far between.<br> >Medicare (over 65) is not much more.<br> <br> Good. Bankrupt or boycott government give-away<br> programs. They are not good for the people that<br> receive them and are not good for the economy and<br> are not good for the taxpayers. Taxpayers should<br> not be paying for big government to destroy peoples<br> initiative. It ain't right.<br> <br> > Ever see Sicko? <a href=3D"http://sickothemovie.com/">http://sickothe= movie.com/</a><br> > How about 'The Awful Truth' first episode segment<br> > <a href=3D"http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0915881/">http://www.imdb.com/t= itle/tt0915881/</a> "Funeral at an HMO"<br> >about several people dying due to denied insurance approval.<br> > -- <br> > Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA<br> > Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all?<br> <br> The government and government/business caused<br> problems are clear. The question is how to fix:<br> <br> 1. Since government control does not work, add more<br> controls to cause the problem to be worse.<br> <br> 2. Since government control does not work, get rid<br> of government controls.<br> i.e. If I want to open an "anti-doctor" shop next<br> door, let me. I'll give medicine and treatments<br> like doctors have done for thousands of years.<br> I will ignore all government control of healthful<br> cures. My aim would be to cure and avoid treatment<br> with lifetime daily shots and pills for people.<br> I would be locked up the first day. 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