Re: Innovation

Tony Harminc <[email protected]> Fri, 25 May 2012 11:45:38 -0400
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On 24 May 2012 20:06, jim s <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 5/24/2012 2:41 PM, John P. Hartmann wrote:
>> Explain to me where that is different from the interactive debuggers IBM=
 peddles.

> open source and therefore extensible w/o any need for proprietary
> tools. =A0I know of other tools such as various profiler tools that need
> access to a debugger to work if one wants to do a non-intrusive analysis.

I haven't noticed that MVSDDT is open source. In fact the licence
agreement seems quite restrictive - in particular, "You ... are NOT
permitted to attempt to modify, de-compile, merge, sell, lease or
otherwise mis-use said AUTHOR's PRODUCTS and/or SERVICES".

Tony H.

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      <p>On 24 May 2012 20:06, jim s &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jws%40jwsss.com"=
>[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; On 5/24/2012 2:41 PM, John P. Hartmann wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; Explain to me where that is different from the interactive debugge=
rs IBM peddles.<br>
<br>
&gt; open source and therefore extensible w/o any need for proprietary<br>
&gt; tools. =A0I know of other tools such as various profiler tools that ne=
ed<br>
&gt; access to a debugger to work if one wants to do a non-intrusive analys=
is.<br>
<br>
I haven't noticed that MVSDDT is open source. In fact the licence<br>
agreement seems quite restrictive - in particular, &quot;You ... are NOT<br=
>
permitted to attempt to modify, de-compile, merge, sell, lease or<br>
otherwise mis-use said AUTHOR's PRODUCTS and/or SERVICES&quot;.<br>
<br>
Tony H.<br>
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