Re: Re: Innovation

Tony Harminc <[email protected]> Wed, 26 Sep 2012 11:25:15 -0400
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On 2 July 2012 12:15, ron.hilton <[email protected]> wrote:
> There are a number of technical disclosure publications out there that
> charge on a per-page basis. The typical submission is a few pages at a cost
> of several hundred dollars. Supposedly they are routinely searched by the
> USPTO during patent examination, making them more likely to be found and
> cited as prior art than some random post on the Internet, such as by a
> Hercules developer describing the invention and uploading some code. USPTO
> patent searches are far from exhaustive, which is why we get so many issued
> patents of dubious quality leading to frivolous litigation (this is a major
> pet peeve of mine - I could go on at length about what I believe is needed
> for real patent reform).

I see that the USPTO has just opened its new Third Party Prior Art
Submissions System. There is an article on (ahem) Groklaw describing
it.
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120916162139282

Seems to me the first order of business should be to submit the
appropriate references from the Hercules lists as prior art for the
patent application US20070271307 "Write Sharing of Read-Only Data
Storage Volumes", which pretty much describes the Hercules shadow file
system.

Maybe it's too late - it's not clear to me, but someone (Ron?) who
knows The System might want to give it a go.

Tony H.

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      <p>On 2 July 2012 12:15, ron.hilton &lt;<a href="mailto:ron.hilton%40comcast.net">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; There are a number of technical disclosure publications out there that<br>
&gt; charge on a per-page basis. The typical submission is a few pages at a cost<br>
&gt; of several hundred dollars. Supposedly they are routinely searched by the<br>
&gt; USPTO during patent examination, making them more likely to be found and<br>
&gt; cited as prior art than some random post on the Internet, such as by a<br>
&gt; Hercules developer describing the invention and uploading some code. USPTO<br>
&gt; patent searches are far from exhaustive, which is why we get so many issued<br>
&gt; patents of dubious quality leading to frivolous litigation (this is a major<br>
&gt; pet peeve of mine - I could go on at length about what I believe is needed<br>
&gt; for real patent reform).<br>
<br>
I see that the USPTO has just opened its new Third Party Prior Art<br>
Submissions System. There is an article on (ahem) Groklaw describing<br>
it.<br>
<a href="http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120916162139282">http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120916162139282</a><br>
<br>
Seems to me the first order of business should be to submit the<br>
appropriate references from the Hercules lists as prior art for the<br>
patent application US20070271307 &quot;Write Sharing of Read-Only Data<br>
Storage Volumes&quot;, which pretty much describes the Hercules shadow file<br>
system.<br>
<br>
Maybe it's too late - it's not clear to me, but someone (Ron?) who<br>
knows The System might want to give it a go.<br>
<br>
Tony H.<br>
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