Re: Yahoo Groups to be made useless.

To all:

When you use the easy transfer feature of groups.io, the following items
get transferred:


Transfer Members

Transfer Messages
     Transfer Photos

Transfer Files

Transfer Links

Transfer Databases

Joe

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 4:56 AM Giuseppe Vitillaro giuseppe-yuD/ahkh7LvrZ44/[email protected]
[hercules-390] <[email protected]> wrote:

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> On Wed, 16 Oct 2019, Dave McGuire [email protected] [hercules-390]
> wrote:
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> > On 10/15/19 6:46 PM, George Shedlock [email protected]
> > [hercules-390] wrote:
> >> Sounds like we need to have an active discussion on this. We have talked
> >> about moving from Yahoo on a number of occasions. I would think that the
> >> first point would be to ask how important it is to have the files
> >> section on the same site as the discussion board. Personally I would
> >> like to see them at the same place.
> >> Q1. Same place or different?
> >> Q2. Use a publicly available site or one run by one of our members? I do
> >> not know of any publicly available sites but I am sure they exist.
> >> Q3. If run by one of our own, is there a preference on what software to
> use?
> >
> > One overarching concern to which I'd like to draw attention:
> >
> > If you use a resource on the network from which you derive value, and
> > this resource is given to you free of charge by a corporation, then
> > invariably, YOU are the product.
> >
> > What's happening to Yahoo Groups now is illustrative of this. We are
> > only lucky that they've given us notice. Many such services have
> > disappeared without a trace from one day to the next without such
> > generous notice, and indeed, without any notice at all...data, files,
> > pictures, subscription lists, etc etc...just gone.
> >
> > At this time, groups.io is the right place for this to go. We are the
> > product there as well, but in this case, the service subsists on the
> > higher-tier offerings which are not free. Smaller, low-volume mailing
> > lists like this one are the "gravy" with which the corporation breeds
> > goodwill, so mailing lists like this one are free to use these services
> > with no real ill effects in the short term.
> >
> > Several of us have real, provider-independent network presence of one
> > type or another. My own servers have been online on the Internet since
> > 1993, at the same hostnames, under the same domains, spanning several
> > different connectivity providers, in six different physical locations
> > over the years. I get a PIPE FOR BITS from my upstream provider,
> > nothing else. Anything more is a recipe for data loss.
> >
> > I suggest that any non-mailing-list content be hosted on a site like
> > that (mine or someone else's), or at groups.io, which is currently, to
> > borrow a term from the US FDA, "GRAS"...Generally Regarded As Safe.
> >
> > Of course groups.io will eventually be invaded and strip-mined by
> > suits as well, at which time it too will go down the same crapper as
> > Yahoo. But that's many years down the road, and we'll move to its
> > successor then.
> >
> > I am willing to assist with parts of this process if the list owner
> > needs/wants such assistance.
> >
> > -Dave
> >
> >
>
> I can't agree more with what you wrote, Dave.
>
> Free services can be trusted as much as a free lunch.
>
> Well, if I remember correctly, US people are used
> to say "a free lunch doesn't exist".
>
> We have to options here, pay for a commercial
> service, hosting the groups on private server
> managed from somewhone who can be trusted at
> least for a decade.
>
> Peppe.
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