Re: Query about GRAMPS interacting with online databases

On 15/10/22 07:04, [email protected] wrote:
> Well, this IS the "user" maillist where the user community responds to 
> question by other users. We are all 'lay people'
> 
> 
> The Developer maillist is gives more authoritative answers about 
> technical issues.
> 
> 
> The 'team' is identified here:
> https://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php/Team
> 
> 
> But while the project has an administrator, an architect and a 
> webmaster; in 20 years we evidently haven't felt the need to build that 
> much authority structure into the administration side. (Nick Hall is our 
> "benevolent dictator" but that might be because he didn't run quickly 
> enough when nominated. He does not rule with an iron fist but he's 
> herded the cats pretty well.) The energy has been put into code, 
> developer docs & user documentation quality instead.
> 
> 
> -Brian
> 
>     On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 17:13, Bret Busby
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>     On 15/10/22 04:25, Enno Borgsteede wrote:
>      > Hi Bret,
>      >
>      >> The following statement was posted to a genealogical mailing
>     list to
>      >> which I subscribe, and then the statement was refuted by another
>      >> subscriber to that mailing list.
>      >>
>      >> "Gramps, which is free and open source, will sync with Ancestry and
>      >> other online databases."
>      >>
>      >> Could clarification please be posted, to confirm or refute whether
>      >> GRAMPS "will sync with Ancestry and other online databases.",
>     such as
>      >> MyHeritage?
>      >
>      > Since I was the one that refuted it, I can repeat my statement
>     here. We
>      > have no code that supports syncing, but we do have a reference to a
>      > FamilySearch download tool on our Discourse forum:
>      >
>      >
>     https://gramps.discourse.group/t/getmyancestors-a-standalone-tool-to-export-familysearch-ancestors/2011/1 <https://gramps.discourse.group/t/getmyancestors-a-standalone-tool-to-export-familysearch-ancestors/2011/1>
>      >
>      > I use RootsMagic Essentials to synchronize data with Ancestry and
>      > FamilySearch, and that can also find hints on FindMyPast and My
>     Heritage.
>      >
>      > And here's a developer's statement about Ancestry:
>      >
>      >
>     https://gramps.discourse.group/t/non-gedcom-import-from-ancestry/1999 <https://gramps.discourse.group/t/non-gedcom-import-from-ancestry/1999>
>      >
>      > Hope this helps a bit.
>      >
>      > Regards,
>      >
>      > Enno
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
> 
>     Hello.
> 
>     Thank you for your response here.
> 
>     The statements are better, when they are qualified.
> 
>     I think that when a developer makes statements about a product, it
>     would
>     be helpful, if the developer would include the qualification, that the
>     person is a developer, and so, give authority to what the person says,
>     rather than simply appearing to be another lay person.
> 
>     I think also, that the information would be useful to include, both in
>     the description of the features of GRAMPS, on the web site, and, in the
>     wiki, and, possibly, assuming that the GRAMPS project people are
>     responsible for maintaining it, the Wikipedia web page about GRAMPS.
> 
>     I am one of many people who do not follow fora, preferring mailing
>     lists, and, when appropriate, "looking things up" on Wikipedia; and,
>     where something like GRAMPS, has a wiki, perusing the wiki.
> 
>     So, I think that inclusion of this information, would be useful to
>     include in those three media.
> 
>     Thence, also, arises the question; thus far, the reference has been to
>     GRAMPS not "syncing" with ancestry.com; what about myheritage.com; does
>     the same scenario apply?
> 

But, if you are
"
Administrator
     Brian Matherly
"

then, it would be more helpful if you include that in your signature, so 
that we know that you then know more than we, as end users, know, about 
what is happening with GRAMPS, and, what it can and cannot do.

A person like me, who is a less knowledgeable end user, if I make a 
claim about what GRAMPS can and cannot do, should not be taken as being 
as credible as if a person who qualifies what the person says, by 
stating that the person is a developer or package maintainer, of the 
product.

I can state what I have experienced, in using the product, and, perhaps, 
make a suggestion, if I appear to have a little knowledge that may help 
a person who posts a query, and, I can ask questions, and, I can make 
suggestions that I believe might make using the product, better for me, 
and, possibly or probably, for other end users. But, if a person would 
post an answer, qualifying it, by showing that the person is involved in 
the product development, then, I must defer to that person, if it is a 
question of knowledge of the product, and, accept that that person knows 
more than me (which, in the case of GRAMPS, probably does not require a 
great amount of knowledge, to know more than me).

Otherwise, if a person posts something, making an assertion that differs 
from what I believe, why should I believe that person to be more correct 
than my belief, if that person does not qualify what the person asserts?

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............




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