Re: Re: about your concept

JP Dinger wrote:

[.... all that recent stuff ....]

Not to detract from your points, which do have merit, I'd like to make a 
case for how I've felt about this little affair as it affected me on 
this list.  At first I didn't realize what was going on in terms of how 
Y was being developed and by whom.  It kinda seemed like Mark Thomas had 
dropped Y 0.2 on the list and left it at that, and the rest of us were 
expected to dream up what might happen next here on the list haphazardly 
and await his approval of patches.  Eventually I caught on to the fact 
that Andrew was going in and make significant progress redo-ing a lot of 
core things, getting them all architected right as a foundation to build 
this project on as it gets bigger down the road.  I had a lot of little 
ideas I wanted to contribute to Y, mostly not core things, just ideas I 
wanted to try and implement around Y.  I was getting ready to start 
contributing code (I already had some rought-cut ideas in the works for 
GTK/GDK compatibility, which I believe will be important transitionally 
if Y is to make headway against the current crop of X stuff), but then I 
realized this wasn't the right time.  I think for this project, right 
now really has been a good time for a guy like Andrew to step in and do 
improvements to the core stuff in the unilateral fashion that he's been 
doing it.  So I've held off on whatever I wanted to work on for now, 
biding my time and watching the list.  When the core stuff settles down 
a little more, I expect it will become the kind of time where I can 
start contributing my fringeware into Y and seeing what feedback I get 
from there.

Certainly I think Mark and Andrew could have communicated their 
intentions a little better for the benefit of some of us out here that, 
while perhaps able to contribute, are not stellar development badasses 
that automatically know the right way (and time) to do everything - but 
in the overall I don't have a problem with how things have gone so far, 
I think this stage of rapid core development, replete with any neccesary 
breakage of interface to other code, is probably neccesary before a next 
stage of broader development by a larger group of people.

(Oh yeah, and you think you have annoying users?  I had a database 
administrator complain to me a few days back that her Sunray desktop was 
beeping at her randomly and must be broken - turns out she was just 
fat-fingering commands in vi left and right and that was the terminal 
bell trying to give her a clue :) )

--Brandon