Re: opie trademark

On Thursday 31 May 2007 13:39, Erik Hovland wrote:
> On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 09:48:29AM +1000, Lorn Potter wrote:
> > On Thursday 31 May 2007 09:09, Erik Hovland wrote:
> > > On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 08:18:42AM +1000, Lorn Potter wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > If He is George France, I don't see how he hosts anything.
> > > Handhelds.org provides the resources to the Opie project. It is flatly
> > > false to say that George France is handhelds.org.
> > >
> > > > Same thing about sf.net, they cannot speak on my behalf for the
> > > > projects I have there, as they are not a part of the community.
> > >
> > > handhelds.org and sf.net are not the same thing. Please stop trying to
> > > make a comparison between them.
> >
> > handhelds.org is a site hosting projects. GF is the CEO of that hosting
> > service, therefore, he hosts projects.
> >
> > Here is the about from the time opie got started:
> > http://web.archive.org/web/20020124183953/http://www.handhelds.org/
> >
> > "Our website provides a set of software repositories, allowing easy
> > archiving and distribution of free software. These repositories are
> > reliable, available, and enjoy very high bandwidth connectivity to the
> > Internet backbone. Project teams are welcome to store their software in
> > the repositories provided here, although links to remote repositories are
> > also welcome."
>
> I don't see the text you quote at that link. Instead I see:
> "Our goal is to encourage and facilitate the creation of open source
> software for use on handheld and wearable computers. We welcome
> participation and sponsorship by individuals, groups and companies
> seeking to further this goal."

yes, your right.. it was this link
http://web.archive.org/web/20021017124847/handhelds.org/about.html

>
> That sounds like more then an sf.net like site.
>
> > More importantly is this page:
> > http://web.archive.org/web/20021016073339/www.handhelds.org/projects/inde
> >x.html
> >
> > See what it says in big bold letters?
> >
> > "Projects Hosted at cvs.handhelds.org"
> >
> > handhelds.org is and always was a web site hosting projects, just like
> > sf.net.
>
> Has handhelds.org ever tried to make money selling hosting non-free
> projects? Does sf.net provide a central wiki about hand held computers?

my point was that, indeed, like sf.net, hh.org IS a web site that is a hosting 
service.

>
> And handhelds.org has always strived to be more then sf.net and to be
> more like a community, like GNOME, KDE, freedesktop, GNU and others.
> That means that handhelds.org also provides hosting for projects. But
> its goal has never been an sf.net for hand held specific projects.

I have never said hh.org and sf.net goals were the same, only that that are 
alike in that they each host projects.


>
> If handhelds.org goals and missions are not clear, that is a problem.
> But I don't see how quoting something (with the wrong URL) and quoting
> another line. Neither of which have anything to do with statements of
> missions or goals or community constitutes a definition of the
> community.
>
> E
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