Re: RE: Re: (...)and Java Questions

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:15:19 -0500, Jones, Gregory James wrote:
>> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:43:41 -0400
>> From: Matthew Zaleski <[email protected]>
> <<<<Snipped for Brevity's sake>>>
>> Now, having said all that, I think the Java runtime on the Zaurus
>> is extremely weak compared to the latest JVMs available for the
>> desktop.  I would have to regress in order to use it, knowing all
>> the while that I could have gotten the job done hours ago if I
>> had a recent JVM with a decent set of classes builtin.  The
>> Zaurus is powerful enough to NOT need to be lumped into the cell-
>> phone J2ME class of JVMs.
>>
>
> "I also have both Jeode and the CVM java virtual machines installed
> on my Z so that I can test with both."
>
> and
>
>
<snip>
> That's 3 compatible JVMs that can be installed and run on the
> Zuarus (and other platforms).
>
> I am not saying you should code in Java or trying to argue your
> point.
>
>
> I just wanted to point out the useful information that has been
> garnered about the particular problem of the specific JVM that is
> being used on the system.
>

No disagreement here.  What I'm looking for is a heavyweight Swing-enabled 1.4.x JVM on my Zaurus.  If memory recalls correctly, none of the JVM's are in that boat.  If I'm wrong, I would be delighted to hear of the beastly JVM that rocks the boat.

My biggest gripe with the "lightweights" as I call them is the massive fragmentation of the GUI features both between desktop and palmtop and among the palmtop JVM's themselves.  I've researched, but not used, some of the JVM's and Swing replacements mentioned.  The palmtop Java app developer's situation seems to be none-too-desirable.

None of my arguments apply to the cell-phone developers.  They have major constraints on footprint and horsepower that high-end palmtops can generally ignore.

Perhaps the ideal world would be for IBM and Sun to get along on Java GUI stuff and support both Swing/AWT and IBM's SWT in more environments/IDE's.  My guess is that SWT would have better performance on a handheld.

-Matt