Re: Turkish Bombings

Andreas,

You do realize, don't you, that your paranoid ramblings skirt very close to 
anti-semitism? Two synagogues were bombed at the same time by the same 
organization. The fact that fewer Jews died from the explosions than, as you 
say, Turks, is irrelevant. Moreover, I ask you, were the Jews not Turks also? 

It's idiotic thinking like yours that gets people like Bush elected. 

Seth



On Monday 17 November 2003 06:43 am, Andreas Pour wrote:
> Sometimes I think I am in some twilight world.  Like the movie "Brasil",
> with its ubiquitous tentacles of pipes and conduits and its overly-hated
> phantom "terrorists".
>
> The phantom terrorists in the current movie playing on TV and other mass
> media, however, are called "al-Qaeda" (or various other spellings, just to
> show that no such organization really exists in case there were any doubt),
> and they are now the five-minute hate Golden Boys.
>
> Today's five-minute hate is supposed to be expressed, I suppose, over the
> bombings of two synagogues in Istanbul.
>
> But wait - that's now how it started.
>
> First the blame was pinned squarely on a Turkish fundamentalist group,
> IBDA-C, based on an "anonymous phone caller" who claimed the deeds were
> committed "to stop the oppression of the Muslims".  Nobody seemed to care
> that this group was disbanded; that, as Turkey claimed, it lacked the
> "sophistication" to carry out such an attack; or that the phone caller was
> anonymous.  But eventually the "experts" were able to convince that this
> group could not possibly have done it - another scapegoat was needed. 
> Nevertheless, the seeds were sown:  it was the Muslims!
>
> Now the blame has been pinned on this mythical network called "al-Qaeda",
> which also supposedly bombed some complex in Saudi Arabia the other day (a
> five-minute hate was then also applied).  The funny thing about "al-Qaeda"
> is the same nutheads who pretend indignation when one speaks of a
> "conspiracy theory", regardless of how much evidence exists, jump fully
> onto the "al-Qaeda" bandwagon, for which no evidence to speak of exists. 
> This supposedly is one very, very large conspiracy, filled with amateurs
> who have loyalty to something we are not told about, with "discreet cells"
> everywhere all over the world, ready to strike with deadly force at a
> moments' notice against anyone they are told to attack, killing themselves
> in the process.  No, I'm not making this up, we are supposed to believe
> this.
>
> OTOH, when one speaks of the Illuminati or similar secret societies (BTW,
> the alleged "al-Qaeda" network of loosely-interconnected cells is loosely
> based on how actual secret societies, such as the Free Masons - which the
> Illuminati infiltrated - are organized, typically in a pyramid structure),
> for which tremendous amounts of evidence has built up over the centuries,
> then one is dismissed as a conspiracy nut.  Same when one speaks of various
> Illuminati assets, such as the Mossad (well, a large chunk of the state of
> Israel for that matter) and the CIA (well, a good part of the US government
> at this point :-( ).
>
> Which brings me back to this al-Qaeda.  They are supposed, in this mythical
> "Brasil" world, to hate foreigners on Holy Muslim lands, and are driven to
> expel them.  They do this, supposedly, by attacking the World Trade Center,
> thereby guaranteeing more foreigners on their land - oh wait, this was
> about the recent events.  They do this by bombing Arabs in Saudi Arabia and
> now bombing Turks in Turkey.
>
> That's right, it's almost spectacularly unbelievable:  almost everyone
> killed (75%) was Turkish! and while I have not seen a breakdown of the
> injured nothing suggests a markedly different proportion.  Not that you
> would know this from casually reading the mainstream press (as most of us
> do) - they dutifully buried that information.  Not by actually lieing, mind
> you, their propaganda is far too sophisticated for that:  they simply did
> not reveal who was killed and injured until the end of the stories, the
> part that studies have proven time and again that less than 10% of people
> read, and at the beginning of the story STRONGLY IMPLIED it was Jews who
> were the victims by noting the attacks were at synagogues and that the
> synagogues were crowded with religious activities - Bar Mitvah, etc.
>
> Even though I was reading closely, I did not notice this until I read one
> of the generally decent newspapers, Israel's Haaretz, which was kind enough
> to report this critical detail of the injuries at the very start of its
> article ("At least 24 people were killed and 300 wounded yesterday morning
> when two Istanbul synagogues were bombed in a coordinated attack. Most of
> the victims were Turkish bystanders, while only six of those killed were
> Jews.").[1]
>
> After some days of pinnig the blame without any evidence, now some
> "irrefutable" evidence has come up:  an EMAIL claiming "a division" of al
> Qaida did it[2] (I suppose "division" is supposed to make us imagine some
> large imaginary army or something), and even providing a supposed reason: 
> Israeli agents supposedly were working in the synagogues![3]  The stupidity
> of this is beyond belief - at least for the reasons that (1) the claim came
> in an anonymous email, and (2) if someone were attacking Israeli agents
> hiding in a synagogue it would not be a "terrorist" attack under virtually
> any non-racist definition of the term, though I credit the BBC with using
> the word "bombings" instead of "terrorist" which the US propaganda machine
> is so fascinated with, and (3) why bomb the place when all these Turks are
> standing around?), but the BBC, at least, finds it worthy to print.  I
> suppose that will be the end of it - al Qaeda did it, we have an email to
> prove it.  That's pretty much how 9/11 wrapped up (except, there was not
> even an email in that case - indeed Osama bin Laden, who supposedly heads
> this mythical entity "al-Qaeda", denied involvement multiple times).
>
> The question left unanswered - why would this mythical al-Qaeda do the
> exact opposite of what its supposed goals are?  First, why attack a
> synagogue in Turkey, which is not a holy site?  (And let's also bear in
> mind, who in fact *is* mad at Turkey, for not sending troops to Iraq - the
> Empire, yes! bingo). Second, why kill mainly Turks but make it seem like
> you were targeting Jews (the Empire, yes! bingo).
>
> Another hint of who is responsible:  shortly after the attack Mossad agents
> arrived in Turkey to "assist" in the investigation - or, rather, to make
> sure the real culprit is not caught (they were helpful that way after 9/11
> as well).
>
> Why would the Rothschild's asset Mossad (the Illuminati is a Kingdom of
> Rothschild asset) do such a thing?  "By way of deception though shalt do
> war". At the time everyone is looking critically at Israel's ongoing
> genocide of the Palestinians (part of its grand plan for "Ersetz Israel" -
> a Greater Israel occuping a big chunk of other countries like Syria,
> Jordan, Iraq, Egypt, Saudi Arabia - you know, all the countries on the "we
> love Israel most" neo-con hit-list), the occupation of Iraq is going as bad
> as those of us with a brain expected before it started, and the world is
> realizing that Israel is the greatest threat (and its Great Whore the USA a
> close second).
>
> What was really needed for the Empire:  a nice diversion to blame on the
> Muslims (in the current environment, the true victims and the perenial
> subjects of the daily five-minute hate), to re-invigorate the Greatest Myth
> of Jewish victimhood (which one is not allowed to question at the risk of
> being subjected to the day's five-minute hate) and to provide both some
> additional posthoc justification for the Iraqi Holocaust and for the
> continued Iraqi Occupation.
>
> Why use the Mossad?  The Mossad (as does the CIA) excels at "false flag"
> operations - which is an operation conducted by one party which frames
> another. For example, coordinating 9/11 and blaming that on bin Laden,
> (unsuccesfully) attacking the USS Liberty (with the goal of blaming the
> Egyptians), the "Lavon Affair", etc.  A nice book from former Mossad agent
> Victor Ostrovsky, which Israel strenuously tried to censor, unsuccessfully
> this time, is available from, among other places, Amazon[4].
>
>
>
> [1]  http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/361036.html. Indeed, even a BBC
> story, buried in the last paragraph, finally comes clean and admits that
> almost all the victims were Muslim Turks (see
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3275853.stm).
>
> [2]  The "division" - the so-called Brigades of the Martyr Abu Hafz
> al-Masri - is the same one that we are to believe is responsible for
> bombing the UN headquarters in Baghdad.  Let's recall, however, who was
> really angry with the UN at that time and who did not want the UN invovled
> in Iraq - the Iraqis, for the UN opposing the war and occupation, or the
> "Coalition" (which of course includes Israel & Tribe, which really was the
> primary driving force behind the whole debacle), for the UN opposing the
> invasion and occupation?
>
> [3]  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3275853.stm
>
> [4]
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0971759502/qid=1069064462/sr=
>8-1/ref=sr_8_1/102-9445622-2172964?v=glance&n=507846 .
> A review: 
> http://www.historyofmilitary.com/By_Way_of_Deception_0971759502.html .  The
> book also claims that the Mossad knew (knew how? is not answered, but that
> is an interesting question itself) about the bombing which killed 241
> Marines in Lebanon but deliberately failed to warn the US about it - which
> is very interesting of course in light of the fact that a Fox News report
> revealed that Mossad spies were following the 9/11 "hijackers" around.
>
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