Re: Do we release SC or not?

On Thursday, September 02, 2010 15:08:26 Stuart Jarvis wrote:
> On Thursday 02 September 2010 13:28:56 Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 31, 2010 20:00:53 Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > > If you look at http://kde.org/ you see that from 4.4.5 to 4.5.0 you
> > > changed the way of talking about the whole (SC vs Development Platform,
> > > Applications and Plasma Workspaces 4.5.0) and from 4.5.0 to 4.5.1 it
> > > was changed again.
> > 
> > First of all, I am the guilty party here. Nobody else. See below why. :)
> > 
> > > This is so bad it's starting to get silly.
> > 
> > Quick reaction, haven't read the thread yet: It's really hard to come up
> > with a title for news if we want to highlight individual products (and
> > not forget one).
> > 
> > Imagine:
> > 
> > - "KDE releases KDE Plasma, Platform and Applications 4.5.1"
> > - "4.5.1 brings stability and translation updates to Plasma workspaces,
> > applications and platform"
> 
> Yep, fair enough. For major releases we can do the three announcements. For
> maintenance releases it's overkill. However, there are options:
> 
> - KDE releases first update for 4.5 software*
> - First updates for KDE's 4.5 releases*
> = KDE releases 4.5.1 product set
> - KDE releases 4.5.1 product updates
> - Other variations...
> 
> * for these 4.5.2 -> second update etc etc
> = is my personal preference out of those
> 
> Compared to
> 
> - KDE Software Compilation 4.5.1 Released
> 
> Well, they're no longer are they?

Yes, but they all suck. :/ We don't want to communicate release artifacts. We 
want to have specific messages, like: 

"KDE 4.5.1 Improves User Experience"

The "4.5.1 is out" is just one part of our message, the more important part is 
the "improves UX" bit. In the above examples, there's just no room for that. 
KDE 4.5.1 is actually as concise as it gets, so I'm not sure if we can do 
better at all.

> Since I expect someone to say that it's just changing words - well, yes it
> is - but at least 'product set' or 'releases' reflect that there is more
> than one thing that KDE produces.
> 
> > Both are way too long to be snappy, and hence to be copied as well.
> > 
> > If we do combined releases ("release days", "release events"), we need a
> > snappy name for the whole of what we release, listing it all is
> > 
> > - hampering us in bringing out a real message (compare "new versions of
> > Plasma, Apps, Platform, eh" with "KDE 4.7.3 Brings Focus Follows Mind")
> > 
> > Hence SC in the 4.5.1 announcement. I'm not happy with it, but I'm also
> > the one who has to deal with practical implications of the new branding.
> > This is something we need to find a solution for if we want the branding
> > to be effective.
> 
> So let's choose how we're going to do this (both major and minor releases)
> particularly in the www announcements and to a lesser extent for the Dot,
> document it and then stick to it.
> 
> Probably the best thing is for a group of us to get together on IRC and
> work this out otherwise we can go on with this mailing list discussion for
> ever.

Having a clear set of *usable* and *practical* guidelines would be very 
helpful. (And keep Troy from bitching about me. :P)

-- 
sebas

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