Re: Summing up and moving on (I hope)

On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 4:14:29 PM, Alleman, Glen B. wrote:

> Here's one we just finished over lunch. "Without programming" will be
> operationally defined as talking about our work process and using the
> phrase "Programming occurs here" (which does use the word of course, so
> pre-excuse please).

> We need to review and update our SOP for an upcoming mini-audit. How do
> we include many of the current XP-practices in the SOP and simplify the
> diagram from the big wall chart to a C-sized chart? Lot's of discussion
> about the "processes" of XP, stories, UT's, engaging customers, EV
> partitioning processes for creating fine grained measurements in the
> server and updating the time and labor system in PeopleSoft to capture
> task numbers as well as charge numbers against work orders.

> You get the idea I hope, process managers talking about the business
> aspects of XP-practices without delving into the activities of writing
> code.

OK, but then I don't understand your original point when you said:

>  Someone posted
> awhile ago a question of "can you have XP without talking about
> programming?" Yes, we do it also most every day. Programming is but one
> of our activity in the SOP. 

I would have thought that XP planning, for example, was XP without programming.
So I'm not understanding what the "someone" was after. Or I'm not understanding
/something/, anyway ...

Can you help me out?

Ron Jeffries
www.XProgramming.com
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.  -- Picasso


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