RE: Re: OT - poor word choice re: Managing Extreme Programming
"Dan Rawsthorne" <[email protected]>
| Newsgroups | gmane.comp.programming.extreme-programming.adoption |
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Let me tell a (scary) story. When I was a young developer I was of the opinion that the developers were the ones providing value to your company. A wise old VP set me straight this way: "you can't do the work if you don't get the money. When push comes to shove, we keep the managers and sales guys and fire the developers. These guys know where the money is, and we can always hire new developers" This is a pretty awful thought, but prevalent in the industry, IMHO, and is based on two views of "providing value": - making money for the company - doing something useful for a customer We developers are trained to do the latter, and MBA-types are trained to do the former. Very enlightened companies realize that providing value to customers can provide money to the company, but few companies are that enlightened. Dan ;-) Dan Rawsthorne, PhD, Sr. Consultant www.netobjectives.com [email protected] office: 425-641-0814 Net Objectives' vision is effective software development without suffering. Our mission is to assist software development teams in accomplishing this through a combination of training and mentoring. -----Original Message----- From: banshee858 <[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 9:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [xpAdoption] Re: OT - poor word choice re: Managing Extreme Programming > > Not quite sure what the gap is here. If the engineers and developers are > not considered the folks who deliver the value for the firm, then who > the heck is. Certainly not the managers. We're observers in the process > of generating value for our customer (code, cars, nuclear waste removed > to storage). > > Please explain how this de-humanizes those who write code for money. Or > better yet suggest a word that could be used for those who do the actual > work of generating shareholder value for the firm. > If you are talking about people, why not say people or folks? Is it so hard to call the people who add value to the organization, people? Or are we really just value delivery systems? I highly doubt this is the case, but the phrase used suggests that to me. I imagine business phrases like these are just shorthand for saying something complicated like, "people who deliver value for the organization". However, it has been my experience, shorthand 1) really translates well outside the group it was intended for and 2) used often enough replaces the long complicated idea. I am only suggesting that language can really turn people off to what the messanger is saying, especially if the language is not very respectful. HMMM...isn't this a complaint XP detractors have about XP proponents? I might be onto something here...physician heal thyself! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=241773.2861420.4212388.1925585/D=egroupweb/S=1705 007207:HM/A=1394044/R=0/*http:/www.hgtv.com/hgtv/pac_ctnt/text/0,,HGTV_3 936_5802,FF.html> HGTV Dream Home Giveaway <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=241773.2861420.4212388.1925585/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1394044/rand=339288848> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service.