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Il 11/10/2016 20:32, Charlie Poole [email protected]
[extremeprogramming] ha scritto:
>
> Hmmm.... somehow it's hard to wrap my head around the fact that
> somebody thinks it matters whether the author of this article is or
> isn't a scrumalliance trainer. Seems like there are more salient
> things one could discuss.
Hi Charlie,
do you know Prince2 and/or Prince2-Agile project management process? It
was the 2nd point in my original post where I ask opinions about them
and about they are agile or not and eventually pros and cons.
If you don't know Prince2-Agile it is summarized here:
http://prince2agile.wiki/An_Overview_of_PRINCE2_Agile
>
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 10:51 PM, Robin Dymond [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [extremeprogramming]
> <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello Massimo,
>
> The article linked is not from a scrum alliance trainer. Anyone
> can submit an article to the scrum alliance for posting. No idea
> how this one got past the reviewers, probably because the staff
> are mostly event planners and support staff, not trainers and
> coaches, we are all free range. I don't know if it will be
> removed, however I think it does not belong on that site.
>
> If you want to read what trainers and coaches are saying read the
> comments, which are highly critical and go on far longer than the
> article, look for CST or CEC in their handle.
>
> Also would like to point out that there are CSTs like myself who
> have been on this list (and many others) for a decade. Thanks to
> the efforts of numerous people here the Scrum Alliance offers
> technical training in TDD, CI, pairing, refactoring, etc,
> sometimes taught by people on this list. It is also by far the
> hardest training to sell, as developers would rather learn a new
> tool (ie swift, aws, oracle) then learn to test drive their code.
>
> My opinion is the article is a POS, and certainly does not
> represent the opinion of any agilists who I know and respect.
>
> Any change effort suffers from relabelling, where people attach
> the new labels to old roles and behaviors. We see this often in
> Agile adoption. Learning new behaviors is hard and takes time. It
> often also requires structural changes to the organization. Most
> of the hard changes needed, like eliminating silos (ie separate
> testing dept) have little to do with XP. They are organizational
> design problems that stem from legacy structures and mindset, like
> those on display in this article.
>
> Robin Dymond, CST
> Managing Partner, Innovel
> www.innovel.net <http://www.innovel.net>
> www.scrumtraining.com <http://www.scrumtraining.com>
> Direct: (804) 239-4329 <tel:%28804%29%20239-4329>
> twitter: @robindymond
> Linkedin:https://www.linkedin.com/in/robindymond
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/robindymond>
>
> On Oct 10, 2016 8:01 AM, "Massimo Manca
> [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>[extremeprogramming]"
> <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> There are other funny folks promoting Prince2 and Prince2-Agile as
> agile
> project management processes.
> I used Prince2 in the past because in UK and West Europe is a common
> requirement in public tenders but I didn't see any agility in it. They
> just write down how to organize and manage a project with the
> lesson of
> the "old school" and maintaining a hierarchical structure.
> Instead I know Prince2-Agile only because when was published I
> received
> the booklet. Seems to me an old "command and control" PM over SCRUM so
> is a heavier SCRUM defining much more roles and using stages and
> milestones to control the project status.
> I am interested also to hear comments on them.
>
> Il 10/10/2016 03:01, Charlie Poole [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>
> [extremeprogramming] ha scritto:
> >
> > I particularly enjoyed this...
> >
> > > The Agile Scorecard is a reflection of disciplined "Agile values"
> >
> > The author was quite right to put "Agile values" in quotation marks,
> > apparently wanting us to understand that this is a parody, or so one
> > can only hope. :-)
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Massimo Manca
> > [email protected]
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> > [extremeprogramming] <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>
> > <mailto:[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I think you have LinkedIn profiles as me, so may be you already read
> > these things but in the last couple of days happened that several
> > trainers published articles about agile processes introducing
> measures
> > and artifacts having nothing to do with agile.
> >
> > This is the link to the worst one published by scrumalliance.org
> <http://scrumalliance.org>
> > <http://scrumalliance.org> (but I
> > know it because I found a post on LinkedIn).
> >
> > https://www.scrumalliance.org/community/articles/2016/october/the-agile-scorecard?feed=articles
> <https://www.scrumalliance.org/community/articles/2016/october/the-agile-scorecard?feed=articles>
> > <https://www.scrumalliance.org/community/articles/2016/october/the-agile-scorecard?feed=articles <https://www.scrumalliance.org/community/articles/2016/october/the-agile-scorecard?feed=articles>>
> >
> > There is also this post about a way to manage projects in a way
> > that is
> > a mix of agile and old fashion project management:
> >
> > https://www.linkedin.com/nhome/updates?activity=6190710412472827904&goback=&trk=hb_ntf_REPLIED_TO_YOUR_COMMENT
> <https://www.linkedin.com/nhome/updates?activity=6190710412472827904&goback=&trk=hb_ntf_REPLIED_TO_YOUR_COMMENT>
> > <https://www.linkedin.com/nhome/updates?activity=6190710412472827904&goback=&trk=hb_ntf_REPLIED_TO_YOUR_COMMENT <https://www.linkedin.com/nhome/updates?activity=6190710412472827904&goback=&trk=hb_ntf_REPLIED_TO_YOUR_COMMENT>>
> >
> > I think we could discuss a little bit about these facts and trying to
> > understand why happened.
> > Do you agree?
> >
> > Massimo
> >
> >
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