Re: [extremeprogramming] What has changed for you over the past 20 years?

"Ron Jeffries" <[email protected]> Fri, 6 Dec 2019 15:04:02 -0500
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It is my view that mandating any practice is directly counter both to the S=
crum Guide and to the Manifesto.

Scrum Guide says that the team decides how to do the work. Manifesto says =
self-organization about 93 times.

Mandate results, not method.

> On Dec 6, 2019, at 2:43 PM, R Dymond <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Agreed James. I would be much more comfortable mandating test automation=
, otherwise as you said a lot of cost for manual work is incurred... and is=
nt the business reason for software development often about eliminating man=
ual tedious work with automation?
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> Also comfortable mandating Agile since it lowers the risk of loss in pro=
duct development.
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> I would rather have people build their skills in a way that mixes curios=
ity and mentorship. Having a culture of encouragement and leadership that v=
alues these ideas seems a better way to engage the interested. This is wher=
e celebrity devs could increase broad interest.


Ron Jeffries
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It was important to me that we accumulate the learnings about the applicat=
ion over time by modifying the program to look as if we had known what we w=
ere doing all along.
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