Re: [extremeprogramming] What has changed for you over the past 20 years?
"Ron Jeffries" <[email protected]> Fri, 6 Dec 2019 15:08:56 -0500
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--Apple-Mail=_F5FA6D1C-4863-447E-A7A4-9BDCF75C5A7D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Slava, > On Dec 6, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Slava Imeshev via Groups.Io <imeshev=3Dyahoo= [email protected]> wrote: >=20 > I stopped believing in team's self-organization long ago. There are lumi= naries like XP founders. There are amazing individuals who can do it and an= d I worked with them. Those usually make up 5-10% of them team. The rest r= equires couching, education, encouragement, pushing forward and yes, imposi= ng and enforcing best practices because were are paid for getting stuff don= e in time and with quality. Without imposing, as harsh as this word can be,= teams descent to run-as-they can 80 hour weeks...=20 I strongly disagree with imposing practices. There are no "best practices"= and none of the practices we currently support are appropriate 100% of the= time anywhere. Coaching, education, encouragement ... those are good things. Imposing pra= ctices ... I'm sure we can do better than that. Ron Jeffries ronjeffries.com <http://ronjeffries.com/> Before you contradict an old man, my fair friend, you should endeavor to u= nderstand him. - George Santayana -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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There are = luminaries like XP founders. There are amazing individuals who can do it an= d and I worked with them. Those usually make up 5-10% of them team. T= he rest requires couching, education, encouragement, pushing forward and ye= s, imposing and enforcing best practices because were are paid for getting = stuff done in time and with quality. Without imposing, as harsh as this wor= d can be, teams descent to run-as-they can 80 hour weeks... </span></d= iv></blockquote></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>I strongly disag= ree with imposing practices. There are no "best practices" and none of the = practices we currently support are appropriate 100% of the time anywhere.</= div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Coaching, educatio= n, encouragement ... those are good things. Imposing practices ... I'm sure= we can do better than that.<br class=3D""><div class=3D""> <div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; = text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: nor= mal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-= wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white= -space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: norm= al; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: non= e; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-strok= e-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line= -break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); f= ont-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: = 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-= space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px= ; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: afte= r-white-space;" class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border= -collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant: normal; letter-spac= ing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; tex= t-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-s= pacing: 0px; border-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none;= -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class=3D""><br class=3D"Apple-interc= hange-newline">Ron Jeffries</div><div class=3D""><a href=3D"http://ronjeffr= ies.com" class=3D"">ronjeffries.com</a></div></span><div class=3D""><span c= lass=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; border-spacin= g: 0px;"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separat= e; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-= height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; tex= t-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; borde= r-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-stro= ke-width: 0px;">Before you contradict an old man, my fair friend, you shoul= d endeavor to understand him. - George Santayana</span></span></div></div><= /div></div> </div> <br class=3D""></div></body></html> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> <hr> Groups.io Links:<p> You receive all messages sent to this group. <p> <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/messag= e/160469">View/Reply Online (#160469)</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject= = =3DRe:%20Re%3A%20%5Bextremeprogramming%5D%20What%20has%20changed%20for%20y= ou%20over%20the%20past%2020%20years%3F">Reply To Group</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject= = =3DPrivate:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bextremeprogramming%5D%20What%20has%20change= d%20for%20you%20over%20the%20past%2020%20years%3F">Reply To Sender</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/mt/39418691/2417047">Mu= te This Topic</a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/post">New Topic</a><br= > <br> <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/editsub/2417047">Your Su= bscription</a> | <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">Contact Group Owner<= /a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/leave/4902963/619838065/= xyzzy">Unsubscribe</a> [[email protected]]<br> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> --Apple-Mail=_F5FA6D1C-4863-447E-A7A4-9BDCF75C5A7D--