Re: [extremeprogramming] What has changed for you over the past 20 years?

"Ron Jeffries" <[email protected]> Fri, 6 Dec 2019 15:08:56 -0500
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Slava,

> On Dec 6, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Slava Imeshev via Groups.Io <imeshev=3Dyahoo=
[email protected]> wrote:
>=20
> I stopped believing in team's self-organization long ago. There are lumi=
naries like XP founders. There are amazing individuals who can do it and an=
d I worked with them.  Those usually make up 5-10% of them team. The rest r=
equires couching, education, encouragement, pushing forward and yes, imposi=
ng and enforcing best practices because were are paid for getting stuff don=
e in time and with quality. Without imposing, as harsh as this word can be,=
 teams descent to run-as-they can 80 hour weeks...=20


I strongly disagree with imposing practices. There are no "best practices"=
 and none of the practices we currently support are appropriate 100% of the=
 time anywhere.

Coaching, education, encouragement ... those are good things. Imposing pra=
ctices ... I'm sure we can do better than that.

Ron Jeffries
ronjeffries.com <http://ronjeffries.com/>
Before you contradict an old man, my fair friend, you should endeavor to u=
nderstand him. - George Santayana


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<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On=
 Dec 6, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Slava Imeshev via Groups.Io &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email protected]" class=3D"">[email protected]</a=
>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><=
span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: ArialMT; font-size: 1=
8px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; le=
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none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0p=
x; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=
=3D"">I stopped believing in team's self-organization long ago. There are =
luminaries like XP founders. There are amazing individuals who can do it an=
d and I worked with them. &nbsp;Those usually make up 5-10% of them team. T=
he rest requires couching, education, encouragement, pushing forward and ye=
s, imposing and enforcing best practices because were are paid for getting =
stuff done in time and with quality. Without imposing, as harsh as this wor=
d can be, teams descent to run-as-they can 80 hour weeks...&nbsp;</span></d=
iv></blockquote></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>I strongly disag=
ree with imposing practices. There are no "best practices" and none of the =
practices we currently support are appropriate 100% of the time anywhere.</=
div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Coaching, educatio=
n, encouragement ... those are good things. Imposing practices ... I'm sure=
 we can do better than that.<br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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ies.com" class=3D"">ronjeffries.com</a></div></span><div class=3D""><span c=
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r-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-stro=
ke-width: 0px;">Before you contradict an old man, my fair friend, you shoul=
d endeavor to understand him. - George Santayana</span></span></div></div><=
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