Re: [extremeprogramming] What has changed for you over the past 20 years?
"Tim Ottinger via Groups.Io" <[email protected]> Sat, 7 Dec 2019 02:33:45 +0000 (UTC)
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------=_Part_4390138_1910183191.1575686025461 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Aggro much?=C2=A0 I think that there is no reason that people who aren=E2=80=99t pro-certifi= cation aren=E2=80=99t innovators in plenty of areas. Case in point: the ori= ginal XP people. =C2=A0I don=E2=80=99t think I=E2=80=99ve seen an XP certif= ication, so there are no innovators there? Do certifications cause innovati= on or prevent it?=C2=A0 Now, that said, none of us gets to choose who the innovators are in the wo= rld. You can expect whatever you want, as long as you don=E2=80=99t blame t= he world for not meeting your expectations. J. Holmes is well respected for his teaching, thinking, writing. I don=E2= =80=99t think we need to rag on him or his views here.=C2=A0 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Wednesday, December 4, 2019, 19:03, R Dymond <[email protected]> wrot= e: Great. So we will not expect any innovation from you. That's OK. It took m= e a while to realize that Extreme Positions don't really do anything except= reflect on me. Calling things broken doesn't fix it. Waiting for others to= change means everything is out of my control, and that is handy if I want = to criticize, and it absolves me of any responsibility. These days I prefer= to act, to have empathy, to recognize that people have succeeded without m= any of the ideas we advocate. So we are not "right," we have a different ap= proach that we think is better. Our CUSTOMERS by in large do not agree that= it is better. Regards=C2=A0Robin On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 5:44 PM <[email protected]> wrote: I'm always fascinated by folks who look at the corrupt, burning garbage he= ap that is Scrum Certification and think, "I want that, but for development= practices." I'm increasingly of the opinion that XP remains useful precisely because i= t has not had the same popularity that Scrum has suffered. I'm likewise of = the opinion that something that sells as well as Scrum in a market full of = broken management systems and toxic workplaces is to be viewed with extreme= suspicion. -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#160481): https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/messag= e/160481 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/39418691/2417047 Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/leave/4902963/61983806= 5/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- ------=_Part_4390138_1910183191.1575686025461 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microso= ft-com:vml" xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"><head><!--[= if gte mso 9]><xml><o:OfficeDocumentSettings><o:AllowPNG/><o:PixelsPerInch>= 96</o:PixelsPerInch></o:OfficeDocumentSettings></xml><![endif]--></head><bo= dy> Aggro much? <div><br></div><div>I think that there is no reason that = people who aren=E2=80=99t pro-certification aren=E2=80=99t innovators in pl= enty of areas. Case in point: the original XP people. I don=E2=80=99t= think I=E2=80=99ve seen an XP certification, so there are no innovators th= ere? Do certifications cause innovation or prevent it? </div><div><br>= </div><div>Now, that said, none of us gets to choose who the innovators are= in the world. You can expect whatever you want, as long as you don=E2=80= =99t blame the world for not meeting your expectations.</div><div><br></di= v><div>J. Holmes is well respected for his teaching, thinking, writing. I d= on=E2=80=99t think we need to rag on him or his views here. </div><div= ><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><br><a href=3D"https://overview.mail.yah= oo.com/?.src=3DiOS">Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad</a><br><br><p class=3D"ya= hoo-quoted-begin" style=3D"font-size: 15px; color: #715FFA; padding-top: 15= px; margin-top: 0">On Wednesday, December 4, 2019, 19:03, R Dymond <rdym= [email protected]> wrote:</p><blockquote class=3D"iosymail"><div id=3D"yiv= 9131267126"><div><div><div>Great. So we will not expect any innovation from= you. That's OK. It took me a while to realize that Extreme Positions don't= really do anything except reflect on me. Calling things broken doesn't fix= it. Waiting for others to change means everything is out of my control, an= d that is handy if I want to criticize, and it absolves me of any responsib= ility. These days I prefer to act, to have empathy, to recognize that peopl= e have succeeded without many of the ideas we advocate. So we are not "righ= t," we have a different approach that we think is better. Our CUSTOMERS by = in large do not agree that it is better.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div= ><div>Regards </div><div>Robin</div><div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div= ><div class=3D"yiv9131267126gmail_quote"><div class=3D"yiv9131267126gmail_a= ttr" dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 5:44 PM <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shap= e=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" href= = =3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<b= r clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote class=3D"yiv9131267126gmail_quote" style= = =3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">I'm al= ways fascinated by folks who look at the corrupt, burning garbage heap that= is Scrum Certification and think, "I want that, but for development practi= ces."<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">I'm increasingly of the opinion = that XP remains useful precisely because it has not had the same popularity= that Scrum has suffered. I'm likewise of the opinion that something that s= ells as well as Scrum in a market full of broken management systems and tox= ic workplaces is to be viewed with extreme suspicion. <p></p><p></p></blockquote></div></div></div> </div></div></div><blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></div> </body></html> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> <hr> Groups.io Links:<p> You receive all messages sent to this group. <p> <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/messag= e/160481">View/Reply Online (#160481)</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject= = =3DRe:%20Re%3A%20%5Bextremeprogramming%5D%20What%20has%20changed%20for%20y= ou%20over%20the%20past%2020%20years%3F">Reply To Group</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject=3DPr= ivate:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5Bextremeprogramming%5D%20What%20has%20changed%20fo= r%20you%20over%20the%20past%2020%20years%3F">Reply To Sender</a> | <a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://groups.io/mt/39418691/2417047">Mu= te This Topic</a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/post">New Topic</a><br= > <br> <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/editsub/2417047">Your Su= bscription</a> | <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">Contact Group Owner<= /a> | <a href=3D"https://groups.io/g/extremeprogramming/leave/4902963/619838065/= xyzzy">Unsubscribe</a> [[email protected]]<br> <div width=3D"1" style=3D"color:white;clear:both">_._,_._,_</div> ------=_Part_4390138_1910183191.1575686025461--