Re: Learning a new language every year can be dangerous.

--- In [email protected], Wayne <wayne@...> wrote:
>
> 
> >
> > > >
> > > > Now again, it is obvious that there are fan boys for every
programming
> > > > language. I remember listening to a podcast by Dave Thomas
where he
> > > > introduced the idea of learning a new language because the
language
> > > > you are using may not be around and/or maybe you can expand your
> > > > mental boundaries about how to code by learning new languages.
What
> > > > did Dave get for his revolutionary ideas? Threats! It was on
an old
> > > > AgileToolkit podcast so check out his story. ;)
> > > >
> > > > It really is interesting how people behave when it comes to
> > > > programming knowledge. The smartest people I know are never
afraid to
> > > > use "I don't know" and they always treat people who don't
know, with
> > > > respect. I try to live by that code, I may fail, but I make the
> > > > greatest effort not to.
> > > >
> > > > Just some observations.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > I found this thread amusing so I looked up your questions on Google.
> > > Here's the first.
> > >
> > > 
> > http://objectmix.com/c/369520-pointer-programming-even-necessary.html 
> >
<http://objectmix.com/c/369520-pointer-programming-even-necessary.html>
> > >
> > > I like the way that you characterized the exchange. The first
response
> > > looks like very thoughtful and helpful. The response you took
> > offense to
> > > was not referring to your lack of C++ knowledge. The poster
simply has
> > > the opinion that after 10-15 years of programming in any
language that
> > > someone should have a little better understanding of how
computers work
> > > and what pointers.
> >
> > Let me just address your other content...
> >
> > "It's incredible that you have programmed for 10-15 years and don't
> > know this" is considered helpful in your opinion?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > The second is found here:
> > >
> > >
> >
http://objectmix.com/c/375425-c-culture-use-dependency-injection-inversion-ofcontrol.html

> >
<http://objectmix.com/c/375425-c-culture-use-dependency-injection-inversion-ofcontrol.html>
> > >
> > > Yes, one guy did call you a smart-ass but then your question was
> > kind of
> > > terse. You really need to look at it from the other persons
view. Here
> > > you are asking him to take time out of his busy life to help
you. You
> > > ask a question that has so little information it probably going
to take
> > > him 15-20 minutes on Google just to figure out what you're talking
> > > about. Then it going to take more time for him to write a
response. I
> > > probably wouldn't have called you a smart-ass but I would not have
> > > answered your question either. I find it hard to put more effort
into
> > > answering a question than was put into asking it.
> >
> > Ok, here is the deal. It's chicken vs. egg. It is more a pain in the
> > ass for me look up if DI is in the C++ CULTURE. Culture being the most
> > operative word. That's why in my question I wasn't
> > going for any technical information per se, just how seasoned C++
> > programmers program their code and whether it was in their culture.
> > It is tough to gauge what is in a programming culture without asking
> > programmers themselves.
> >
> > Up to that point I had no idea that DI would be foreign to them.
> > That's why people ask questions, to gain insight (or some gripes in
> > this case). As you saw, there were some posters who genuinely either
> > asked what DI was, or knew both C++ and DI and gave the help and the
> > insight I needed. That's just some good professional courtesy.
> >
> > All in all, I can't believe you are programmer and don't know the
> > difference between programming culture vs. programming patterns
> > (kidding). ;)
> >
> >  
> 
> 
> I am not sure that you got my point. You've been programming for 10-15 
> years. I am sure that you understand that 'jargon' is used all over and 
> can mean different things depending on context (including _culture_) it 
> being used in. Your question was about jargon an absolutely no context. 
> Courtesy dictates that you spend at least as much time making your 
> question easy to answer as it will take to answer the question.


I don't mind changing the way I post question, but that was an easy
question and it was exactly what I wanted to convey.

> 
> 
> Since you assert that your questions are serious, might I recommend the 
> following link.
>
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-SearchBox&q=%22dependency+injection%22+C%2B%2B
> 
> (this is the search result in Google for '"dependency injection" C++')
> 
> The first link covers a lot of the ground that has been covered in this 
> list. It also points to some libraries that at least 1 C ++ programmer 
> thinks does something like DI. The second link is to Wikipedia. It
has a 
> brief description of DI and then lists libraries in 10 different 
> languages that implement to some degree or another DI.
>


Thanks for the other links, the first one you mentioned is just a copy
from a USENET post.  Just to reiterate, I just wanted to know the
culture of DI in C++, not the technical information of DI in C++
although I don't mind the information.  So I set up my question the
way I wanted it conveyed.