Re: Problems with archival type

Hello Matthias,

unfortunately I can not offer a solution since I face basically the  
same problem, being a historian writing my PhD-thesis.

I have posted similar questions in the past and did not reiceive a  
reply. Maybe we get some hints this time?

The only suggestion I have:

keep it short: just donot put in such long titles/archname into your  
references. If I remember correctly on the list was someone else who  
had a problem with line-length and wrong wrapping etc. The different  
fields (shorttitle) are directly (manually) accessible in jurabib but  
that is not solution.

In my experience, not using archname at all (gave up on it) would get  
you a bibliography with the name of the archive, subarchive and call  
numbers/signatures. For historians, that is usually sufficient. Use  
of Bibtopic or sth. similar is of course necessary to separate  
properly different types of material.

Some other people seem to have used the misc-type to reference  
archival files which would get you a shorttitle, that is a thing I  
have not yet tried.

Greetings,
Rolf



Am 19.07.2006 um 00:40 schrieb Matthias Damm:

>
> Hello everybody,
>
> I've tried out the archival type a bit in the last weeks, but ran
> into some problems.
> One question to start with: Is there a secret manual to archival I
> have not found?
> All the information I found was from this list and some postings in
> de.comp.text.tex.
>
> Generally things seem to work, but I have some problems I wasn't able
> to solve.
> Perhaps somebody knows solution or a workaround?
>
> Maybe my way of using archival is not really typical -- I am a
> political scientist, and I use only a smaller number of archival
> documents in my PhD. thesis, but some of them are longer texts and
> are cited quite extensively.
>
> See below for a minimal example.
> I am using jurabib from the CVS.
>
> Problem 1:
> Using an author-year citation style, the way archival documents are
> cited is not really satisfactory.
> Whenever I cite a document, I get the whole title, sheets,
> shortarchive etc. information (which can be rather long in some  
> cases).
> I did not find a way to replace this by some kind of short citation.
> The only thing that works is the ibidem option, but of course this
> works only if the citations directly follow each other.
>
> Is it possible to get something like the following:
> - A shorttitle (or howcited?) field replaces the full title for each
> citation [except the first one], like "MfS-Studie, Bl. x"
> - Shortarchive and signature replace the full title for each citation
> [except the first one], like "ABL 16.2.017, Bl. x"
>
> Problem 2:
> I don't really understand how the information for the bibliography is
> aggregated. Is it possible to influence that?
> As far as I can see, the Archname information seems to be used as a
> long description which is put into the bibliography.
> But I have problems when the archname is longer than one line of
> text: the different bibliography items are partly printed over each
> other, at least for documents from the same Subarchive (or without
> Subarchive).
> The problem is even more dramatic if you use the bibformat=compress
> option.
> The \jbsamearch variable seems to be in charge here, but I did not
> find a way to change it so that it can handle long and short  
> Archnames.
>
> Questions:
> What is the Archname field intended to be used for?
> Isn't there / shouldn't there be a possibility to have the title
> field printed in the bibliography?
>
> I hope somebody can provide some help (or perhaps just point me to
> some additional information source)!
>
> Thanks in advance,
> best regards
>
> Matthias
>
> Here's the example:
>
> %%test.tex
> \documentclass[]{article}
>
> \usepackage[latin1]{inputenc}
>
> \usepackage{jurabib}
> \jurabibsetup{
> ibidem=strict,
> bibformat=compress,
> authorformat=year,
> }
>
> \begin{document}
>
> I reference my source\footcite[22]{abl:16-2-017}
> and my source again -- the ibidem option works.\footcite[23]{abl:
> 16-2-017}
> Now something different\footcite{test}
> and the source again -- with the full title.\footcite[23]{abl: 
> 16-2-017}
> And another source.\footcite{abl:16-2-007}
>
> \bibliographystyle{jurabib}
> \bibliography{archivaltest}
>
> \end{document}
>
> %%archivaltest.bib
> @book{test,
> Author = {Some Author},
> Booktitle = {Some book title},
> Title = {Some book title},
> Year = {2006}}
>
> @archival{abl:16-2-017,
> Archive = {Archiv B{\"u}rgerbewegung Leipzig},
> Archname = {Studie zur Methode des gewaltfreien Widerstandes und
> deren Mi{\ss}brauch f{\"u}r subversive Ziele durch feindlich-negative
> Kr{\"a}fte bei der Inspirierung und Organisierung politischer
> Untergrundt{\"a}tigkeit. VVS JHS o001 -- 134/85},
> Author = {{Ministerium f{\"u}r Staatssicherheit, Hochschule}},
> Gender = {sn},
> Sheets = {1--28},
> Shortarchive = {ABL},
> Shorttitle = {MfS-Studie},
> Sig1 = {16.2.017},
> Title = {Studie zur Methode des gewaltfreien Widerstandes und deren
> Mi{\ss}brauch f{\"u}r subversive Ziele durch feindlich-negative Kr
> {\"a}fte bei der Inspirierung und Organisierung politischer
> Untergrundt{\"a}tigkeit. VVS JHS o001 -- 134/85}}
>
> @archival{abl:16-2-007,
> Archive = {Archiv B{\"u}rgerbewegung Leipzig},
> Archname = {{\"U}bersicht {\"u}ber aus dem Operationsgebiet
> bekanntgewordene wesentliche Mittel und Methoden des {\frqq}
> gewaltfreien Widerstandes{\flqq}},
> Sheets = {1--9},
> Shortarchive = {ABL},
> Shorttitle = {{\"U}bersicht Methoden},
> Sig1 = {16.2.007},
> Title = {{\"U}bersicht {\"u}ber aus dem Operationsgebiet
> bekanntgewordene wesentliche Mittel und Methoden des {\frqq}
> gewaltfreien Widerstandes{\flqq}}}
>
> -- 
> Matthias Damm
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