Re: Problems with archival type

Rolf,

> I have posted similar questions in the past and did not reiceive a  
> reply. Maybe we get some hints this time?

thanks for the reply -- I hope there will be some more reactions ...

> keep it short: just donot put in such long titles/archname into  
> your references. If I remember correctly on the list was someone  
> else who had a problem with line-length and wrong wrapping etc. The  
> different fields (shorttitle) are directly (manually) accessible in  
> jurabib but that is not solution.

Well, I think the wrapping problem will be solvable.
Unfortunately I can't simply shorten my archival items' titles (and I  
would really prefer to have them in the bibliography).

> In my experience, not using archname at all (gave up on it) would  
> get you a bibliography with the name of the archive, subarchive and  
> call numbers/signatures. For historians, that is usually  
> sufficient. Use of Bibtopic or sth. similar is of course necessary  
> to separate properly different types of material.
>
> Some other people seem to have used the misc-type to reference  
> archival files which would get you a shorttitle, that is a thing I  
> have not yet tried.

That would be possible of course, but you would lose the great  
features the archival type already provides -- not a very nice  
solution ...

Speaking generally:

I had asked for (and received) some hints on how to learn programming  
BibTeX myself from Jens, but the necessary changes for the archival  
type are still far over my head ;-)

Jens, can we expect support for the archival type in the not-so-far  
future from you?

And, by the way:
Dominik, is there any progress for the updates on the jurabib  
documentation?
I still am willing to help here, and documenting the archival type  
could be an important project I would like to support -- but of  
course I would like to understand what is going on myself first :-)

Best regards,
Matthias

> Am 19.07.2006 um 00:40 schrieb Matthias Damm:
>
>>
>> Hello everybody,
>>
>> I've tried out the archival type a bit in the last weeks, but ran
>> into some problems.
>> One question to start with: Is there a secret manual to archival I
>> have not found?
>> All the information I found was from this list and some postings in
>> de.comp.text.tex.
>>
>> Generally things seem to work, but I have some problems I wasn't able
>> to solve.
>> Perhaps somebody knows solution or a workaround?
>>
>> Maybe my way of using archival is not really typical -- I am a
>> political scientist, and I use only a smaller number of archival
>> documents in my PhD. thesis, but some of them are longer texts and
>> are cited quite extensively.
>>
>> See below for a minimal example.
>> I am using jurabib from the CVS.
>>
>> Problem 1:
>> Using an author-year citation style, the way archival documents are
>> cited is not really satisfactory.
>> Whenever I cite a document, I get the whole title, sheets,
>> shortarchive etc. information (which can be rather long in some  
>> cases).
>> I did not find a way to replace this by some kind of short citation.
>> The only thing that works is the ibidem option, but of course this
>> works only if the citations directly follow each other.
>>
>> Is it possible to get something like the following:
>> - A shorttitle (or howcited?) field replaces the full title for each
>> citation [except the first one], like "MfS-Studie, Bl. x"
>> - Shortarchive and signature replace the full title for each citation
>> [except the first one], like "ABL 16.2.017, Bl. x"
>>
>> Problem 2:
>> I don't really understand how the information for the bibliography is
>> aggregated. Is it possible to influence that?
>> As far as I can see, the Archname information seems to be used as a
>> long description which is put into the bibliography.
>> But I have problems when the archname is longer than one line of
>> text: the different bibliography items are partly printed over each
>> other, at least for documents from the same Subarchive (or without
>> Subarchive).
>> The problem is even more dramatic if you use the bibformat=compress
>> option.
>> The \jbsamearch variable seems to be in charge here, but I did not
>> find a way to change it so that it can handle long and short  
>> Archnames.
>>
>> Questions:
>> What is the Archname field intended to be used for?
>> Isn't there / shouldn't there be a possibility to have the title
>> field printed in the bibliography?
>>
>> I hope somebody can provide some help (or perhaps just point me to
>> some additional information source)!
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> best regards
>>
>> Matthias
>>
>> Here's the example:
>>
>> %%test.tex
>> \documentclass[]{article}
>>
>> \usepackage[latin1]{inputenc}
>>
>> \usepackage{jurabib}
>> \jurabibsetup{
>> ibidem=strict,
>> bibformat=compress,
>> authorformat=year,
>> }
>>
>> \begin{document}
>>
>> I reference my source\footcite[22]{abl:16-2-017}
>> and my source again -- the ibidem option works.\footcite[23]{abl:
>> 16-2-017}
>> Now something different\footcite{test}
>> and the source again -- with the full title.\footcite[23]{abl: 
>> 16-2-017}
>> And another source.\footcite{abl:16-2-007}
>>
>> \bibliographystyle{jurabib}
>> \bibliography{archivaltest}
>>
>> \end{document}
>>
>> %%archivaltest.bib
>> @book{test,
>> Author = {Some Author},
>> Booktitle = {Some book title},
>> Title = {Some book title},
>> Year = {2006}}
>>
>> @archival{abl:16-2-017,
>> Archive = {Archiv B{\"u}rgerbewegung Leipzig},
>> Archname = {Studie zur Methode des gewaltfreien Widerstandes und
>> deren Mi{\ss}brauch f{\"u}r subversive Ziele durch feindlich-negative
>> Kr{\"a}fte bei der Inspirierung und Organisierung politischer
>> Untergrundt{\"a}tigkeit. VVS JHS o001 -- 134/85},
>> Author = {{Ministerium f{\"u}r Staatssicherheit, Hochschule}},
>> Gender = {sn},
>> Sheets = {1--28},
>> Shortarchive = {ABL},
>> Shorttitle = {MfS-Studie},
>> Sig1 = {16.2.017},
>> Title = {Studie zur Methode des gewaltfreien Widerstandes und deren
>> Mi{\ss}brauch f{\"u}r subversive Ziele durch feindlich-negative Kr
>> {\"a}fte bei der Inspirierung und Organisierung politischer
>> Untergrundt{\"a}tigkeit. VVS JHS o001 -- 134/85}}
>>
>> @archival{abl:16-2-007,
>> Archive = {Archiv B{\"u}rgerbewegung Leipzig},
>> Archname = {{\"U}bersicht {\"u}ber aus dem Operationsgebiet
>> bekanntgewordene wesentliche Mittel und Methoden des {\frqq}
>> gewaltfreien Widerstandes{\flqq}},
>> Sheets = {1--9},
>> Shortarchive = {ABL},
>> Shorttitle = {{\"U}bersicht Methoden},
>> Sig1 = {16.2.007},
>> Title = {{\"U}bersicht {\"u}ber aus dem Operationsgebiet
>> bekanntgewordene wesentliche Mittel und Methoden des {\frqq}
>> gewaltfreien Widerstandes{\flqq}}}
>>
>> -- 
>> Matthias Damm
>> [email protected]
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>>
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