Re: StackOverflow

"jockmurphy" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups gmane.comp.web.pixory
Message-ID <[email protected]>
Klemens--

I am not upset.  I am not angry.  I am relaxed, and yes I am fully 
aware that the software is beta.  I am trying to point out, as a 
user, that there are some barriers to entry that are not 
insifnificant. 

I have been a software engineer for more than 17 years.  I write 
server-side and client-side software for a living.  I run my own 
site.  But that doesn't mean that I have an X client on my desktop, 
or want one.  Nor does that mean I want the X libs, etc on my server 
if they aren't needed.  You are correct I could have every installed 
and running on both ends in about 20-30 minutes (apt-get on the 
server side, and cygwin on the client), but I will never need X on my 
box again and it is 30 minutes I would rather use to put my portfolio 
online.  I also think it unreasonable burden.

I do not expect these things to be fixed immediately, but not to 
acknowlege problems, or to dismiss fairly complex soulutions as 
trivial will not make this software better either.  I think Joe has 
done an amazing piece of work.  That being said this, the webapp 
hosted part, is more rough around the edges than the rest.  

--- In [email protected], "Klemens Dickbauer" 
<klemens.dickbauer@m...> wrote:
> Jock,
> ok, if you don't like it and are not willing to invest some time, 
well,
> leave it. (I don't want to leave a false impression though, I'm 
just a
> humble user as well... ;)
> 
> But just for your information:
> 
> .) You don't need X on the server machine. you run a X-client 
application
> (would be netscape for example), and that one accesses the X-server 
on
> your desktop. That's the concept of X.
> 
> .) You don't need a proxy or whatever. X-forwarding must be enabled 
on the
> sshd anyway, and if you're not used to it or do not have access to 
the
> server configuration that might be a hassle. But if it is enabled, 
you can
> just open a shell with "ssh -X -l <user> <machine>" and start any X
> program - it will display on your workstation. But again, if you use
> Windows and normally not use a local X-Server this is some effort.
> Admitted.
> 
> .) Have you ever noticed the "beta" token in the mailing list? I'm 
sure
> you know what that means. The developer of the software tries to 
improve
> it and waits for input from users as you have done. But you can't 
expect
> that anything you don't like is fixed immedeately.
> If you want perfect software, go out and buy some (I'm sure there 
are
> solutions for graphics and design studios). When this software has
> "features" you don't like, you can try to get your money back.
> 
> have a nice time and relax,
> ~klemens
> 
> >
> > If the soloution is for me to install X on my server (which it
> > doesn't have, it's a headless box), set up a ssh proxy, and then
> > install X on my personal system; just so I can do a one time
> > configure of the app, then no thank you.&nbsp; That is way to much
> > pain.&nbsp;  It is quite frankly easier for me to say that I will 
stick
> > with using  static HTML albums made by JAlbum, or look at other
> > solutions.
> >
> > Yes I was prestened with a login dialog again, but after re-
logging  in
> > I was just confronted with the &quot;Pixory is unable to service 
your
> > last request&quot; message.
> >
> > --- In [email protected], Klemens Dickbauer
> > klemens.dickbauer@m... wrote:
> > &gt; Hi Jock!
> > &gt;
> > &gt; I do not know why the initialization routine was done that 
way
> > (maybe for
> > &gt; security reasons? Joe will know ;), but once I knew this
> > restriction, I
> > &gt; simply could solve the issue.
> > &gt; I also installed the software on a remote box, so I used X
> > forwarding of ssh
> > &gt; to put a very simple browser (was a quite outdated netscape) 
on my
> > desktop
> > &gt; and let it point to 127.0.0.1. Maybe this is a solution for 
you as
> > well.
> > &gt;
> > &gt; By the way, I also had the message that the system is unable 
to
> > server my
> > &gt; request (seems to result from some exception of the 
application),
> > but on that
> > &gt; screen there is a login, and after that I could go on.
> > &gt;
> > &gt; hope that helps,
> > &gt; ~klemens
> > &gt;
> > &gt; Am Wednesday 24 March 2004 02:06 schrieb jockmurphy:
> > &gt; &gt; &lt;html&gt;&lt;body&gt;
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt; &lt;tt&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; The docs were far from clear (at least to me) that that 
was
> > true  if&lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; you deployed the webapp yourself.&amp;nbsp; This is 
also more
> > than a  little&lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; bothersome when you are installing the software on a 
remote
> > box,  as I am.
> > &gt; &gt; &lt;BR&gt; &lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; All I have is a remote shell.&amp;nbsp; I had to 
install a
> > text  browser to
> > &gt; &gt; get&lt;BR&gt; to the pixory application, but it isn't
> > especially lynx &gt; &gt; friendly.&amp;nbsp; I&lt;BR&gt; was 
able to
> > get past the first step, but now &gt; &gt; everything I do
> > results&lt;BR&gt; in a message that says &amp;quot;Pixory  is 
unable
> > &gt; &gt; to service your last request.&amp;quot;&lt;BR&gt; 
&lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; Pixory seems to be very cool, unfortunately it is 
things like
> > this&lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; that make me inclined to just stop now.&lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; --- In [email protected], Klemens
> > Dickbauer&lt;BR&gt; &gt; &gt; klemens.dickbauer@m... 
wrote:&lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; Hi!&lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; .) First, you should initialize with 
&lt;BR&gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;quot;&lt;a
> > &gt; &gt;
> > 
href=&quot;http://127.0.0.1:&quot;&gt;http://127.0.0.1:&lt;/a&gt;&amp;
lt;tomcatport&amp;gt;/pixor
> > y/pxa
> > &gt; &gt;pplication&amp;quot; - it is written&lt;BR&gt; that way
> > &lt;BR&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; in the docs. (:&lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; .) In the very latest version you wouldn't get 
a
> > StackOverflow but&lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; would &lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; directed to the 127.0.0.1 page.&lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; bye,&lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; ~klemens&lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; Am Wednesday 24 March 2004 01:28 schrieb
> > jockmurphy:&lt;BR&gt; &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
> > &amp;lt;html&amp;gt;&amp;lt;body&amp;gt;&lt;BR&gt; &gt; &gt; 
&amp;gt;
> > &amp;gt;&lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;&lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;lt;tt&amp;gt;&lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; I just tried to install pixory.war 
(Pixory
> > Beta 3.9) on &gt; &gt; Tomcat&lt;BR&gt;
> > 5.0.19.&amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;nbsp; When I go to 
&amp;lt;a&lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;&lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; href=&amp;quot;&lt;a
> > &gt; &gt;
> > 
href=&quot;http://mydomainname/pixory/pxapplication&quot;&gt;http://my
domainname/pi
> > xory/
> > &gt; &gt;pxapplication&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&lt;a
> > &gt; &gt;
> > 
href=&quot;http://mydomainname/pixory/&quot;&gt;http://mydomainname/pi
xory/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;BR&gt;
> >  &amp;gt;
> > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;pxapplication&amp;lt;/a&amp;gt; it just sit
> > and&amp;lt;BR&amp;gt; spins for a  bit then
> > &gt; &gt; comes&lt;BR&gt; back with a&lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; StackOverflow exception.&amp;amp;nbsp;
> > For&amp;lt;BR&amp;gt; grins  I tried
> > &gt; &gt; changing&lt;BR&gt; Tomcat to run&lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; on port 8081 (it was set to
> > port&amp;lt;BR&amp;gt; 80), to see  if that
> > &gt; &gt; would&lt;BR&gt; help.&amp;amp;nbsp;&lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; It 
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> > &lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; -- &lt;BR&gt;
> > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; Klemens Dickbauer, MSK Informatik 
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