Re: Re: StackOverflow

Hi Jock and Joe!

Sorry when I was too harsh in my last email. First I might have
misunderstood your approach (can happen when exchanging emails), and
additionally the timing was not very good since just when I released the
mail, your last one arrived. Of course constructive cristicism is a good
thing and for the benefit of all.
My "workaround" with X was just an suggestion and recepie how I did it and
may be useful if not for you, for other readers of this mailing list.

By the way, I'm also quite curious about customizing the look and feel. I
did not dig into the internals of pixory, so at current state I do know
nothing at all.
A few words from Joe might help (-:

When I browse my Albums I think how the usability could be improved for
different installations, e.g. I have really a lot of Albums with a
relatively small amount of pics in it, which makes the album start page
really huge. Create genial usability is quite a tough one anyway, and I
don't intend to express it's any bad in it's current state.

@Joe: I hook up to Jock's statement saying that it's a great piece of
software and of course for me as a Java developer the very dynamic and
flexible approach is intriguing.
You don't have to wonder that people are using it. After they managed to
configure it initially. *scnr*  (-;

~klemens

>
> Klemens--
>
> I am not upset.  I am not angry.  I am relaxed, and yes I am
> fully  aware that the software is beta.  I am trying to point out,
> as a  user, that there are some barriers to entry that are not
> insifnificant.
>
> I have been a software engineer for more than 17 years.  I write
> server-side and client-side software for a living.  I run my own
> site.  But that doesn't mean that I have an X client on my desktop,
>  or want one.  Nor does that mean I want the X libs, etc on my
> server  if they aren't needed.  You are correct I could have every
> installed  and running on both ends in about 20-30 minutes (apt-get on
> the
> server side, and cygwin on the client), but I will never need X on my
> box again and it is 30 minutes I would rather use to put my portfolio
> online.  I also think it unreasonable burden.
>
> I do not expect these things to be fixed immediately, but not to
> acknowlege problems, or to dismiss fairly complex soulutions as
> trivial will not make this software better either.  I think Joe has
>  done an amazing piece of work.  That being said this, the webapp
> hosted part, is more rough around the edges than the rest. 
>
> --- In [email protected], "Klemens Dickbauer"
> <klemens.dickbauer@m...> wrote:
> > Jock,
> > ok, if you don't like it and are not willing to invest some time,
> well,
> > leave it. (I don't want to leave a false impression though, I'm
> just a
> > humble user as well... ;)
> >
> > But just for your information:
> >
> > .) You don't need X on the server machine. you run a X-client
> application
> > (would be netscape for example), and that one accesses the X-server
>  on
> > your desktop. That's the concept of X.
> >
> > .) You don't need a proxy or whatever. X-forwarding must be enabled
>  on the
> > sshd anyway, and if you're not used to it or do not have access to
> the
> > server configuration that might be a hassle. But if it is enabled,
> you can
> > just open a shell with "ssh -X -l <user>
> <machine>" and start any X > program - it will display on
> your workstation. But again, if you use > Windows and normally not
> use a local X-Server this is some effort. > Admitted.
> >
> > .) Have you ever noticed the "beta" token in the mailing
> list? I'm  sure
> > you know what that means. The developer of the software tries to
> improve
> > it and waits for input from users as you have done. But you can't
> expect
> > that anything you don't like is fixed immedeately.
> > If you want perfect software, go out and buy some (I'm sure there
> are
> > solutions for graphics and design studios). When this software has
> > "features" you don't like, you can try to get your money
> back. >
> > have a nice time and relax,
> > ~klemens
> >
> > >
> > > If the soloution is for me to install X on my server (which it
> > > doesn't have, it's a headless box), set up a ssh proxy, and
> then > > install X on my personal system; just so I can do a one
> time > > configure of the app, then no thank you.  That
> is way to much > > pain.   It is quite frankly
> easier for me to say that I will  stick
> > > with using  static HTML albums made by JAlbum, or look at
> other > > solutions.
> > >
> > > Yes I was prestened with a login dialog again, but after re-
> logging  in
> > > I was just confronted with the "Pixory is unable to
> service  your
> > > last request" message.
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], Klemens Dickbauer
> > > klemens.dickbauer@m... wrote:
> > > > Hi Jock!
> > > >
> > > > I do not know why the initialization routine was done
> that  way
> > > (maybe for
> > > > security reasons? Joe will know ;), but once I knew
> this > > restriction, I
> > > > simply could solve the issue.
> > > > I also installed the software on a remote box, so I
> used X > > forwarding of ssh
> > > > to put a very simple browser (was a quite outdated
> netscape)  on my
> > > desktop
> > > > and let it point to 127.0.0.1. Maybe this is a
> solution for  you as
> > > well.
> > > >
> > > > By the way, I also had the message that the system is
> unable  to
> > > server my
> > > > request (seems to result from some exception of the
> application),
> > > but on that
> > > > screen there is a login, and after that I could go
> on. > > >
> > > > hope that helps,
> > > > ~klemens
> > > >
> > > > Am Wednesday 24 March 2004 02:06 schrieb jockmurphy:
> > > > > <html><body>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > <tt>
> > > > > The docs were far from clear (at least to
> me) that that  was
> > > true  if<BR>
> > > > > you deployed the webapp
> yourself.  This is  also more
> > > than a  little<BR>
> > > > > bothersome when you are installing the
> software on a  remote
> > > box,  as I am.
> > > > > <BR> <BR>
> > > > > All I have is a remote shell. 
> I had to  install a
> > > text  browser to
> > > > > get<BR> to the pixory
> application, but it isn't > > especially lynx > >
> friendly.  I<BR> was  able to
> > > get past the first step, but now > > everything
> I do > > results<BR> in a message that says
> "Pixory  is  unable
> > > > > to service your last
> request."<BR>  <BR>
> > > > > Pixory seems to be very cool, unfortunately
> it is  things like
> > > this<BR>
> > > > > that make me inclined to just stop
> now.<BR> > > > > --- In
> [email protected], Klemens > >
> Dickbauer<BR> > > klemens.dickbauer@m...
> wrote:<BR>
> > > > > > Hi!<BR>
> > > > > > <BR>
> > > > > > .) First, you should initialize
> with  <BR> >
> > > > > "<a
> > > > >
> > >
> href="http://127.0.0.1:">http://127.0.0.1:</a>&
> lt;tomcatport>/pixor
> > > y/pxa
> > > > >pplication" - it is
> written<BR> that way > > <BR> >
> > > in the docs. (:<BR> > >
> > > > <BR>
> > > > > > .) In the very latest version
> you wouldn't get  a
> > > StackOverflow but<BR>
> > > > > would <BR>
> > > > > > directed to the 127.0.0.1
> page.<BR> > > > > >
> <BR>
> > > > > > bye,<BR>
> > > > > > ~klemens<BR> >
> > > > > <BR>
> > > > > > Am Wednesday 24 March 2004
> 01:28 schrieb > > jockmurphy:<BR> > >
> > > > >
> <html><body><BR>
> > >  >
> > > ><BR>
> > > > > > ><BR>
> > > > > > >
> <tt><BR> > > > >
> > > I just tried to install pixory.war  (Pixory
> > > Beta 3.9) on > > Tomcat<BR>
> > > 5.0.19.<BR><BR>
> > > > > > >  When
> I go to  <a<BR>
> > > > > > ><BR>
> > > > > href="<a
> > > > >
> > >
> href="http://mydomainname/pixory/pxapplication">http://my
> domainname/pi
> > > xory/
> > > >
> >pxapplication</a>"><a
> > > > >
> > >
> href="http://mydomainname/pixory/">http://mydomainname/pi
> xory/</a><BR>
> > >  >
> > > > >
> >pxapplication</a> it just sit >
> > and<BR> spins for a  bit then > >
> > > comes<BR> back with a<BR>
> > > > > > > StackOverflow
> exception.  > > For<BR>
> grins  I tried
> > > > > changing<BR> Tomcat to
> run<BR> > > > > >
> > on port 8081 (it was set to > >
> port<BR> 80), to see  if that > >
> > > would<BR>
> help. <BR> > > > >
> > > It
> didn't.<BR><BR> >
> > > > > >
> <BR><BR> > > > >
> > > Do you have any > >
> suggestions?<BR><BR> >
> > >  >
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