Re: Working alongside other groups (was Re: [MACCAWS] Hello to Group)

On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 06:19:54AM +0200, Chris Kaminski wrote:
> Thus spake Jon Dillon:
> 
> > Oh that's not what I meant at all Steph.  I think we should be focused on
> > producing something, anything, before we run around and ask a lot of people
> > for their help.  It didn't mean to say that inviting them to join us was a
> > bad idea, or that they shouldn't be included soon.  Only that until we
> > produce something, I think it's all just talk.
>
> I have been involved in several initiatives that started with great fanfare
> and high expectations and eventually petered out. Get something done, then
> worry about cooperation.
> ...
> As far as watching what other groups are doing, that should be something the
> research group already has their eye on, no?

I think I'm not being so clear today, I've just had maybe 20 mls of
blood taken out of my body. :)

Sorry, let's try again ... I don't mean 'run around and ask a lot of 
people for help'. I mean 'talk to them, find out what they are doing, and
maybe if we can use their material, let them know what we intend to
do'. A clear mission statement should help here, yes.

And I agree that intentions are useless if we don't come up with
something, but I think the act of expressing intentions also holds
us to a certain degree of accountability - which is good, no?

What I'm worried about is this: let's say we put our heads down and work 
on v 1.0. and then by the time it is ready to be 'seen' it's less relevant 
or somewhat out-of-date because tons of other stuff has been done by 
other people, and we would have wasted time re-iterating things which
others are already working on. 

For example, an article by Karl Dubost of the W3C on common misconceptions 
of standards and improving quality of web pages through standards is 
currently going through internal review - we can be in touch with the W3C 
and other groups to find out what they are doing for education and outreach, 
and we might find things that can help us. This is why I think starting some 
conversation early is more beneficial, rather than just watching.

I hope that's clearer, in any case, I don't think I'm supposed to be
typing after having both my arms jabbed. Sorry for jumping up and
down a bit, all good intentions, etc.

cheers,
-steph


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