Re: Re: Template per section

I think that is probably my first Eureka moment.  Especially thanks for 
the link to csszengarden.

I was thinking in the wrong paradigm - previous tools I have used have 
skinned using templates for each element you want changed (PostNuke, 
Domino and eZPublish in particular) and whilst I can read and tinker 
with CSS no problem, it's always been stressed, for example, how CSS2 
support was not brilliant and so on so particularly some positioning 
stuff should still be done with templates.

But those on csszengarden are just beautiful examples and I'll pay much 
more attention to CSS now...:-)

Cheers,

Jock
(Busy night ahead I think!)

In <[email protected]> Michael Zeltner  wrote:
> Jock Coats wrote:
>> Tom, and others, thanks for your excellent advice.  What if I do 
>> really  want a completely 'different' look to the three column type 
>> layout?  Or  change the way things work - for example, one of the new 
>> Plone sites  quoted on the plone.org site is the UK Strategic Rail 
>> Authority.
> 
> i'm uploading a design i somewhat finished yesterday. there are still 
> many things to do but the main design looks very different (imo). and 
> it's done with css. no template changes, at least "correct" removing 
> of  some site parts, which will not harm migration. will be available 
> on  http://ugar.niij.org/ in a few mins. it's a very basic site though.
> 
> so you see, it's possible to use a complete different layout with the 
> tableless layout, yes and if you'd have seen http://csszengarden.com/ 
> then you'd know that ;)
> 
> i'm not claiming we're as flexible as the css zen garden but at least 
> almost (important note: we're not using unnecessary markup as the 
> garden  does).
>
>> They have a nice menuing systemn down the left hand side.  Have they 
>> done all of this in stylesheets?  That amount of change may be being 
>> optimistic for me, newbie as I am, and I've been cogitating overnight 
>> on  what I do want to achieve and feel that I may very well get away 
>> with  modifying CSS for most things, but I'd kind of like to know.
> 
> it's not doen with css there, but it's doable without any problems.
> 
> use absolute positioning and floats for the menu. if you want a 
> javascript driven menu, you have to customize it. if you want images 
> instead of the tabs use 
> http://plone.org/development/teams/ui/
> ReplaceTabsWithImagesViaCSSNoRollovers  - the rollover version should 
> be available soon because i have to use it  on the ugar site.
>
>> When I started with PostNuke, I downloaded lots of skins to give me 
>> something to compare with and to see what happens if I change this or 
>> that.  I'm a little bit lost without that in Plone.  Still waiting 
>> for  that 'Eureka' moment...:-)
> 
> if you really want to use plones full potential, you'll need to know 
> css, at least a bit. w3c schools is a good resource, and zeldmans 
> "designing with webstandards" is as far as i've heard, a very nice 
> book  for newbies. all links can be found in the plone 2 ui cookbook 
> (http://plone.org/development/teams/ui/ThePlone2UICookbook) - thats 
> the  only way to get a real "eureka" moment ;) otherwise you're able 
> to end  up in migration pain (at the moment).
>
> regards, michael



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