Re: Mooball IT
Tom Cameron <[email protected]> Thu, 9 Apr 2015 10:53:30 +1000
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--===============2903892985257408272== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c1a16ec0315d051340147f --001a11c1a16ec0315d051340147f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Dylan, I spent many years supporting the Zope community in the early days, mostly thought help contributions in the lists. I attended sprints. I was a contributor to very early Zope 3 and Im on the Zope Foundation. Ive released several open source products in the past. And I do all I can to promote Plone generally. Im doing what I can to attend and sent staff to Python and other open source conferences and meetings locally. But since I had a child and our business changed about 8 years ago Ive struggled to find time and finances to be more active. Dylan, I see the great work you do, the products you develop and the general promotion of Plone in Australia, and I genuinely wish I was in a position to do the same. I do regret that and Im very aware of it. I am always looking for new clients to convert to Plone and its certainly not my intention to 'poach'. Im sorry you feel that way. To everyone in the community, Im really sorry if Ive upset you. In the past few weeks Ive contacted quite a few. Ive found some new contacts in the Plone community and chatted and shared experiences and ideas. Ive found a quite a few site owners who were doing it alone and are in need of help. Ive found a frightening number of sites moving away from Plone. And Ive had a just a two angry responses. Please accept my apologies. On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Dylan Jay <djay-n0pU0XVUApFWk0Htik3J/[email protected]> wrote: > Tom, > I have never once seen you contribute to the community in the many years > you have taken from it. Perhaps now is the time to do so as part of plone > marketing. I'm sure the marketing would welcome you and your companies > support. Or alternatively sponsoring the foundation so they have money for > more marketing as we have done. This is a form of paying for the software > you have built your business on. > The very least you could do is try to get new clients instead of poach > your competitors existing clients. That grows nothing. > On 9 Apr 2015 07:03, "Tom Cameron" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Phil, >> >> In closing, I would like you to ask yourself just one question - how >>> would the Plone ecosystem look to our clients and users if we all did this? >> >> >> Most likely it would be a bigger, more active and growing eco system >> instead of the current frustrating slow death we are experiencing. >> >> The primary reason I lose new tenders is because I have to spend so much >> time educating people about what Plone is before I can even propose a >> solution. Most business just compare overall usage of technologies and the >> likes of WordPress win hands down - despite being hopelessly inferior >> technology. >> >> And the primary reason I lose current clients is because they move away >> from Plone to WordPress - and the reason they cite is the fear that there >> is just no support out there for Plone. That it is far too risky to put >> their faith in a technology that nobody users. >> >> If they were to get regular emails from an active community then they >> would see that there is support out there and choices and while that may >> keep me 'on my toes', I would much prefer some decent competition than to >> have clients walk away to an inferior solution purely due to fear that they >> are on a sinking ship. >> >> Many of the people Ive emailed recently have said (paraphrased) "I wish >> you had contacted us a few months ago - we could not get the support we >> needed so we have moved to WordPress". >> >> If we all dont vastly increase our promotion of Plone then Im pretty >> certain there will be no ecosystem at all in 5 years time. >> >> -- >> Tom >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> BPM Camp - Free Virtual Workshop May 6th at 10am PDT/1PM EDT >> Develop your own process in accordance with the BPMN 2 standard >> Learn Process modeling best practices with Bonita BPM through live >> exercises >> http://www.bonitasoft.com/be-part-of-it/events/bpm-camp-virtual- >> event?utm_ >> source=Sourceforge_BPM_Camp_5_6_15&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=VA_SF >> _______________________________________________ >> Plone-website mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plone-website >> The Wiki: http://plone.org/development/current/projects/WebsiteTeam >> > --001a11c1a16ec0315d051340147f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Dylan,<div>I spent many years supporting the Zope communit= y in the early days, mostly thought help contributions in the lists. I atte= nded sprints. I was a contributor to very early Zope 3 and Im on the Zope F= oundation. Ive released several open source products in the past. And I do = all I can to promote Plone generally.</div><div><br></div><div>Im doing wha= t I can to attend and sent staff to Python and other open source conference= s and meetings locally. But since I had a child and our business changed ab= out 8 years ago Ive struggled to find time and finances to be more active. = Dylan, I see the great work you do, the products you develop and the genera= l promotion of Plone in Australia, and I genuinely wish I was in a position= to do the same.=C2=A0 I do regret that and Im very aware of it.=C2=A0</div= ><div><br></div><div>I am always looking for new clients to convert to Plon= e and its certainly not my intention to 'poach'. Im sorry you feel = that way.=C2=A0<br></div><div><br></div><div>To everyone in the community, = Im really sorry if Ive upset you. In the past few weeks Ive contacted quite= a few. Ive found some new contacts in the Plone community and chatted and = shared experiences and ideas. Ive found a quite a few site owners who were = doing it alone and are in need of help. Ive found a frightening number of s= ites moving away from Plone. And Ive had a just a two angry responses.</div= ><div><br></div><div>Please accept my apologies.</div><div><br></div><div><= br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, = Apr 9, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Dylan Jay <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:= djay-n0pU0XVUApFWk0Htik3J/[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">djay-n0pU0XVUApFWk0Htik3J/[email protected]</a>></span> wrote= :<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bo= rder-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:so= lid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr">Tom, <br> I have never once seen you contribute to the community in the many years yo= u have taken from it. Perhaps now is the time to do so as part of plone mar= keting. I'm sure the marketing would welcome you and your companies sup= port. Or alternatively sponsoring the foundation so they have money for mor= e marketing as we have done. This is a form of paying for the software you = have built your business on.<br> The very least you could do is try to get new clients instead of poach your= competitors existing clients. That grows nothing. </p> <div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div class=3D"h5">On 9 Apr 2015 07:03, &quo= t;Tom Cameron" <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank= ">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"></div></div><block= quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-w= idth:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding= -left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h5"><div dir=3D"ltr">Phil,<div><br></div><div= ><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border= -left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;= padding-left:1ex"><span style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8000001907= 349px">In closing, I would like you to ask yourself just one question - how= would the Plone ecosystem look to our clients and users if we all did this= ?</span></blockquote><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">= <br>Most likely it would be a bigger, more active and growing eco system in= stead of the current frustrating slow death we are experiencing.=C2=A0<br><= br>The primary reason I lose new tenders is because I have to spend so much= time educating people about what Plone is before I can even propose a solu= tion. Most business just compare overall usage of technologies and the like= s of WordPress win hands down - despite being hopelessly inferior technolog= y.<br><br>And the primary reason I lose current clients is because they mov= e away from Plone to WordPress - and the reason they cite is the fear that = there is just no support out there for Plone. That it is far too risky to p= ut their faith in a technology that nobody users.=C2=A0<br><br>If they were= to get regular emails from an active community then they would see that th= ere is support out there and choices and while that may keep me 'on my = toes', I would much prefer some decent competition than to have clients= walk away to an inferior solution purely due to fear that they are on a si= nking ship.<br><br>Many of the people Ive emailed recently have said (parap= hrased) "I wish you had contacted us a few months ago - we could not g= et the support we needed so we have moved to WordPress".<br><br>If we = all dont vastly increase our promotion of Plone then Im pretty certain ther= e will be no ecosystem at all in 5 years time.<br><br>--<br>Tom<br></div><d= iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,= sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style=3D"font-size:13px= ;border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><div></div></span><= /span></div></div></div></div> </div></div></div> <br></div></div>-----------------------------------------------------------= -------------------<br> BPM Camp - Free Virtual Workshop May 6th at 10am PDT/1PM EDT<br> Develop your own process in accordance with the BPMN 2 standard<br> Learn Process modeling best practices with Bonita BPM through live exercise= s<br> <a href=3D"http://www.bonitasoft.com/be-part-of-it/events/bpm-camp-virtual-= " target=3D"_blank">http://www.bonitasoft.com/be-part-of-it/events/bpm-camp= -virtual-</a> event?utm_<br> source=3DSourceforge_BPM_Camp_5_6_15&utm_medium=3Demail&utm_campaig= n=3DVA_SF<br>_______________________________________________<br> Plone-website mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">Pl= [email protected]</a><br> <a href=3D"https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plone-website" targ= et=3D"_blank">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plone-website</a= ><br> The Wiki: <a href=3D"http://plone.org/development/current/projects/WebsiteT= eam" target=3D"_blank">http://plone.org/development/current/projects/Websit= eTeam</a><br></blockquote></div> </blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail= _signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-fami= ly:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style=3D"font-= size:13px;border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><div></div= ></span></span></div></div></div></div> </div></div> --001a11c1a16ec0315d051340147f-- --===============2903892985257408272== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ BPM Camp - Free Virtual Workshop May 6th at 10am PDT/1PM EDT Develop your own process in accordance with the BPMN 2 standard Learn Process modeling best practices with Bonita BPM through live exercises http://www.bonitasoft.com/be-part-of-it/events/bpm-camp-virtual- event?utm_ source=Sourceforge_BPM_Camp_5_6_15&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=VA_SF --===============2903892985257408272== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Plone-website mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plone-website The Wiki: http://plone.org/development/current/projects/WebsiteTeam --===============2903892985257408272==--