Re: Mooball IT
Dylan Jay <djay-n0pU0XVUApFWk0Htik3J/[email protected]> Wed, 8 Apr 2015 18:45:48 -0700 (MST)
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--===============3985843248017014060== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_26602_1381914989.1428543948802" ------=_Part_26602_1381914989.1428543948802 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, We are all doing it hard. Ultimately the best form of marketing is a product that is more useful to more people so they recommend it to others. Its not so hard to restructure business to ensure that solving customer problems is not solved using customer specific code. Instead we deliberately decided where possible we are changing core plone, adding features to other plugins or creating new generic plugins even if it means the cost is twice as much, in an attempt to make plone more useful. Its not so hard to do. Asko is attempting to improve the theming story so they come with prebuilt content more like WordPress themes you get out of theme forest. Contributing themes and testing to this effort would also help make plone more competitive with WordPress. On 9 Apr 2015 07:54, "beams [via Plone]" < ml-node+s293351n7573586h55-PKuAHvtXa09l57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> wrote: > Dylan, > I spent many years supporting the Zope community in the early days, mostly > thought help contributions in the lists. I attended sprints. I was a > contributor to very early Zope 3 and Im on the Zope Foundation. Ive > released several open source products in the past. And I do all I can to > promote Plone generally. > > Im doing what I can to attend and sent staff to Python and other open > source conferences and meetings locally. But since I had a child and our > business changed about 8 years ago Ive struggled to find time and finances > to be more active. Dylan, I see the great work you do, the products you > develop and the general promotion of Plone in Australia, and I genuinely > wish I was in a position to do the same. I do regret that and Im very > aware of it. > > I am always looking for new clients to convert to Plone and its certainly > not my intention to 'poach'. Im sorry you feel that way. > > To everyone in the community, Im really sorry if Ive upset you. In the > past few weeks Ive contacted quite a few. Ive found some new contacts in > the Plone community and chatted and shared experiences and ideas. Ive found > a quite a few site owners who were doing it alone and are in need of help. > Ive found a frightening number of sites moving away from Plone. And Ive had > a just a two angry responses. > > Please accept my apologies. > > > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Dylan Jay <[hidden email] > <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7573586&i=0>> wrote: > >> Tom, >> I have never once seen you contribute to the community in the many years >> you have taken from it. Perhaps now is the time to do so as part of plone >> marketing. I'm sure the marketing would welcome you and your companies >> support. Or alternatively sponsoring the foundation so they have money for >> more marketing as we have done. This is a form of paying for the software >> you have built your business on. >> The very least you could do is try to get new clients instead of poach >> your competitors existing clients. That grows nothing. >> On 9 Apr 2015 07:03, "Tom Cameron" <[hidden email] >> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7573586&i=1>> wrote: >> >>> Phil, >>> >>> In closing, I would like you to ask yourself just one question - how >>>> would the Plone ecosystem look to our clients and users if we all did this? >>> >>> >>> Most likely it would be a bigger, more active and growing eco system >>> instead of the current frustrating slow death we are experiencing. >>> >>> The primary reason I lose new tenders is because I have to spend so much >>> time educating people about what Plone is before I can even propose a >>> solution. Most business just compare overall usage of technologies and the >>> likes of WordPress win hands down - despite being hopelessly inferior >>> technology. >>> >>> And the primary reason I lose current clients is because they move away >>> from Plone to WordPress - and the reason they cite is the fear that there >>> is just no support out there for Plone. That it is far too risky to put >>> their faith in a technology that nobody users. >>> >>> If they were to get regular emails from an active community then they >>> would see that there is support out there and choices and while that may >>> keep me 'on my toes', I would much prefer some decent competition than to >>> have clients walk away to an inferior solution purely due to fear that they >>> are on a sinking ship. >>> >>> Many of the people Ive emailed recently have said (paraphrased) "I wish >>> you had contacted us a few months ago - we could not get the support we >>> needed so we have moved to WordPress". >>> >>> If we all dont vastly increase our promotion of Plone then Im pretty >>> certain there will be no ecosystem at all in 5 years time. >>> >>> -- >>> Tom >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> BPM Camp - Free Virtual Workshop May 6th at 10am PDT/1PM EDT >>> Develop your own process in accordance with the BPMN 2 standard >>> Learn Process modeling best practices with Bonita BPM through live >>> exercises >>> http://www.bonitasoft.com/be-part-of-it/events/bpm-camp-virtual- >>> event?utm_ >>> source=Sourceforge_BPM_Camp_5_6_15&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=VA_SF >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Plone-website mailing list >>> [hidden email] <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7573586&i=2> >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plone-website >>> The Wiki: http://plone.org/development/current/projects/WebsiteTeam >>> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > BPM Camp - Free Virtual Workshop May 6th at 10am PDT/1PM EDT > Develop your own process in accordance with the BPMN 2 standard > Learn Process modeling best practices with Bonita BPM through live > exercises > http://www.bonitasoft.com/be-part-of-it/events/bpm-camp-virtual- event?utm_ > > source=Sourceforge_BPM_Camp_5_6_15&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=VA_SF > _______________________________________________ > Plone-website mailing list > [hidden email] <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=7573586&i=3> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plone-website > The Wiki: http://plone.org/development/current/projects/WebsiteTeam > > ------------------------------ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Mooball-IT-tp7573559p7573586.html > To start a new topic under plone.org Web Site, email > ml-node+s293351n293363h42-PKuAHvtXa09l57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org > To unsubscribe from plone.org Web Site, click here > <http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_code&node=293363&code=ZGpheUBwcmV0YXdlYi5jb218MjkzMzYzfDU2Nzg1MjY3NQ==> > . > NAML > <http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml> > -- View this message in context: http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Mooball-IT-tp7573559p7573587.html Sent from the plone.org Web Site mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ------=_Part_26602_1381914989.1428543948802 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <p dir=3D"ltr">Hi,</p> <p dir=3D"ltr">We are all doing it hard. Ultimately the best form of market= ing is a product that is more useful to more people so they recommend it to= others. Its not so hard to restructure business to ensure that solving cus= tomer problems is not solved using customer specific code. Instead we delib= erately decided where possible we are changing core plone, adding features = to other plugins or creating new generic plugins even if it means the cost = is twice as much, in an attempt to make plone more useful. Its not so hard = to do.<br> Asko is attempting to improve the theming story so they come with prebuilt = content more like WordPress themes you get out of theme forest. Contributin= g themes and testing to this effort would also help make plone more competi= tive with WordPress. </p> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 9 Apr 2015 07:54, "beams [via Plone]&quo= t; <<a href=3D"/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=3Dnode&node=3D7573587&i=3D0" tar= get=3D"_top" rel=3D"nofollow" link=3D"external">[hidden email]</a>> wrot= e:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote style=3D'border-left:2px solid #CCCC= CC;padding:0 1em' class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l= eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> =09<div dir=3D"ltr">Dylan,<div>I spent many years supporting the Zope commu= nity in the early days, mostly thought help contributions in the lists. I a= ttended sprints. I was a contributor to very early Zope 3 and Im on the Zop= e Foundation. Ive released several open source products in the past. And I = do all I can to promote Plone generally.</div><div><br></div><div>Im doing = what I can to attend and sent staff to Python and other open source confere= nces and meetings locally. But since I had a child and our business changed= about 8 years ago Ive struggled to find time and finances to be more activ= e. Dylan, I see the great work you do, the products you develop and the gen= eral promotion of Plone in Australia, and I genuinely wish I was in a posit= ion to do the same.=C2=A0 I do regret that and Im very aware of it.=C2=A0</= div><div><br></div><div>I am always looking for new clients to convert to P= lone and its certainly not my intention to 'poach'. Im sorry you fe= el that way.=C2=A0<br></div><div><br></div><div>To everyone in the communit= y, Im really sorry if Ive upset you. In the past few weeks Ive contacted qu= ite a few. Ive found some new contacts in the Plone community and chatted a= nd shared experiences and ideas. Ive found a quite a few site owners who we= re doing it alone and are in need of help. Ive found a frightening number o= f sites moving away from Plone. And Ive had a just a two angry responses.</= div><div><br></div><div>Please accept my apologies.</div><div><br></div><di= v><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Th= u, Apr 9, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Dylan Jay <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"http= :///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=3Dnode&node=3D7573586&i=3D0" rel=3D"nof= ollow" link=3D"external" target=3D"_blank">[hidden email]</a>></span> wr= ote:<br><blockquote style=3D'border-left:2px solid #CCCCCC;padding:0 1em' s= tyle=3D"border-left:2px solid #cccccc;padding:0 1em" class=3D"gmail_quote">= <p dir=3D"ltr">Tom, <br> I have never once seen you contribute to the community in the many years yo= u have taken from it. Perhaps now is the time to do so as part of plone mar= keting. I'm sure the marketing would welcome you and your companies sup= port. Or alternatively sponsoring the foundation so they have money for mor= e marketing as we have done. This is a form of paying for the software you = have built your business on.<br> The very least you could do is try to get new clients instead of poach your= competitors existing clients. That grows nothing. </p> <div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div>On 9 Apr 2015 07:03, "Tom Cameron= " <<a href=3D"http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=3Dnode&node=3D757= 3586&i=3D1" rel=3D"nofollow" link=3D"external" target=3D"_blank">[hidde= n email]</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"></div></div><blockquote sty= le=3D'border-left:2px solid #CCCCCC;padding:0 1em' style=3D"border-left:2px= solid #cccccc;padding:0 1em" class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div><div dir=3D"l= tr">Phil,<div><br></div><div><blockquote style=3D'border-left:2px solid #CC= CCCC;padding:0 1em' style=3D"border-left:2px solid #cccccc;padding:0 1em" c= lass=3D"gmail_quote"><span style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8000001= 907349px">In closing, I would like you to ask yourself just one question - = how would the Plone ecosystem look to our clients and users if we all did t= his?</span></blockquote><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quot= e"><br>Most likely it would be a bigger, more active and growing eco system= instead of the current frustrating slow death we are experiencing.=C2=A0<b= r><br>The primary reason I lose new tenders is because I have to spend so m= uch time educating people about what Plone is before I can even propose a s= olution. Most business just compare overall usage of technologies and the l= ikes of WordPress win hands down - despite being hopelessly inferior techno= logy.<br><br>And the primary reason I lose current clients is because they = move away from Plone to WordPress - and the reason they cite is the fear th= at there is just no support out there for Plone. That it is far too risky t= o put their faith in a technology that nobody users.=C2=A0<br><br>If they w= ere to get regular emails from an active community then they would see that= there is support out there and choices and while that may keep me 'on = my toes', I would much prefer some decent competition than to have clie= nts walk away to an inferior solution purely due to fear that they are on a= sinking ship.<br><br>Many of the people Ive emailed recently have said (pa= raphrased) "I wish you had contacted us a few months ago - we could no= t get the support we needed so we have moved to WordPress".<br><br>If = we all dont vastly increase our promotion of Plone then Im pretty certain t= here will be no ecosystem at all in 5 years time.<br><br>--<br>Tom<br></div= ><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-family:ari= al,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style=3D"font-size:1= 3px;border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><div></div></spa= n></span></div></div></div></div> </div></div></div> <br></div></div>-----------------------------------------------------------= -------------------<br> BPM Camp - Free Virtual Workshop May 6th at 10am PDT/1PM EDT<br> Develop your own process in accordance with the BPMN 2 standard<br> Learn Process modeling best practices with Bonita BPM through live exercise= s<br> <a href=3D"http://www.bonitasoft.com/be-part-of-it/events/bpm-camp-virtual-= " rel=3D"nofollow" link=3D"external" target=3D"_blank">http://www.bonitasof= t.com/be-part-of-it/events/bpm-camp-virtual-</a> event?utm_<br> source=3DSourceforge_BPM_Camp_5_6_15&utm_medium=3Demail&utm_campaig= n=3DVA_SF<br>_______________________________________________<br> Plone-website mailing list<br> <a href=3D"http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=3Dnode&node=3D7573586&i= =3D2" rel=3D"nofollow" link=3D"external" target=3D"_blank">[hidden email]</= a><br> <a href=3D"https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/plone-website" rel= =3D"nofollow" link=3D"external" target=3D"_blank">https://lists.sourceforge= .net/lists/listinfo/plone-website</a><br> The Wiki: <a href=3D"http://plone.org/development/current/projects/WebsiteT= eam" rel=3D"nofollow" link=3D"external" target=3D"_blank">http://plone.org/= development/current/projects/WebsiteTeam</a><br></blockquote></div> </blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div><div><div dir=3D"lt= r"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;backgr= ound-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style=3D"font-size:13px;border-collapse:= collapse;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><div></div></span></span></div></div= ></div></div> </div></div> <br>-----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- <br>BPM Camp - 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