Re:

 I have had dealings with offshore development in India. We have 3
developers in Bangalore now. It took about 3 months to get the visas so that
we could bring them over for training. We sent them back, along with laptops
which took another three months and much haggling to get out of Indian
customs. They now have the equipment, but in 6 months and thousands of
dollars have yet to be productive.
 I have found that offshore development requires a great deal of "extra"
work, especially in requirements and documentation when dealing with project
details. We spend a lot of early mornings on the phone discussing and
explaining requirements and logistics, only to have to double check the
quality of the "work" they performed.
 I believe that while a company may receive some short-term benefits, in the
end off-shore is less cost effective because of the administrative, logistic
and QA overhead.


Brad A. Raulston
MCP,MCAD 

 
-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Christoph Schittko
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 8:22 PM
To: [email protected]

Check out the article named: Momentum Software Wins Another "Offshore
Rescue" 

On http://schneider.blogspot.com

For another opinion on that topic ;) As far as another offshore project goes
that I is currently conducted at the company where I am presently at, I
can't say that it's very cost effective up to this point. So far it's been
wearing out the local staff that's supporting the ramp-up in India with late
night phone conferences, and other issues. Unless they get productive there
soon, I can't see any cost advantage over having the work done here.

I don't know if that's representative for each and every project moved
offshore, but I have yet to meet someone who's glowingly telling me about a
completely successful offshore project. I just wish decision makers would
talk to the same people I do.

Christoph

> -----Original Message-----
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> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Larry O'Brien
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 4:20 PM
> To: [email protected]
> 
> > "To me, the overall market seems to be moving towards inexpensive
> > incompetence: under-specified, under-bid, and under-delivered
> > projects. But the monthly bill is less!"
> >
> >
> > Absolutely...and about a year from now there will be a lot of
> > jobs open in order to fix the "work" done by these scrubs today.
> 
> True, but will the "fixes" be done by what Tom called "artisanal"
> programmers? For that matter, if the scrubs say "This is what is known as
> iterative and incremental development, you got something out there fast
> and
> cheap, it doesn't quite meet your needs, and now we modify it," what will
> you argue? Scrubs modifying sloppy code will eventually become bogged down
> (probably), but not for several iterations of their sloppiness. And, as a
> good programmer, you will probably be _more_ pessimistic than the scrubs
> if
> you're up to bid for the fixing job: they'll say "Oh, we can change that,"
> and you'll say "It's a complete mess and to prepare for the future, you
> should refactor the whole thing."
> 
> These thoughts are making me reconsider my long-held viewpoint that
> certifications are a waste. Any MCADs or MCSDs on the list care to share
> their cost-benefit analyses?
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