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Hello Friedhelm:
As a debt of gratitude, my eternal thanks to Neil Gantz. He got me
started with Ecco (he actually sent me the installer) and answered some
very basic (and probably very stupid) questions, and ... it didn't cost
me a penny! If it had not been for him, I would have missed-out on this
great program. I hope he es still lurking somewhere and reads this post.
Best,
Santiago
On 6/7/2016 3:56 PM, Friedhelm Dohmann [email protected] [eccopro] wrote:
>
> Yes, I would like a complete copy of Yahoo messages of "both" Foren.
> When I saw the names Nick Gordon and Neal Gantz and that those
> messages or message replies were missing, I can only point to YSWT and
> his hostile editing and collecting processes.
> Remember, in 2007 Tom Hoots the original owner and creator of the
> Yahoo Support Group "eccopro
> <https://u2150049.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=yo37o3i872KfBGAmdwB5qFOlNsFV9-2F6xpFJWeEna4H-2FrixGQSmiwcJehdFxmH3WSHF4HV7A2Mg2R3eQUyAKU-2BQ-3D-3D_46DsPZsT2iD1MLZMdCToB2J85Ilgb3yzSc4A412B0H14y3ZB5-2BFtpNfSbxL96wmaBeiI7vHnO8CeyGZID28-2FlnZySwhW2Pbm1LyFRYVeh3OIYPCWP33SisI9nBFUVgS5-2Bjfuw4gSPVu0e6xiQ7LpGkmHYe6gYs1PBh4AEjmdrfSs4ydI6SCidLMQco65PUkA3ZpF1vEJmXyt2iMSe5fkGdWdV89fsWdyElkYqnxCSgM-3D>"
> and "Nick Gordon" who followed Tom past the baton to me during the
> hostile attempt by YSWT to takeover the original group claiming it was
> spam infested. Without any consent from the group owners, YSWT sampled
> all messages of the original group "eccopro
> <https://u2150049.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=yo37o3i872KfBGAmdwB5qFOlNsFV9-2F6xpFJWeEna4H-2FrixGQSmiwcJehdFxmH3WSHF4HV7A2Mg2R3eQUyAKU-2BQ-3D-3D_46DsPZsT2iD1MLZMdCToB2J85Ilgb3yzSc4A412B0H14y3ZB5-2BFtpNfSbxL96wmaBeiI7vHnO8CeyGZID28-2FlugxMpyXXnPOkJvGIzqMIEBvDe1cF70rljkm0Aq6KXhhFOYvM3CpflfTn-2BqcZxuV7D5IVT6uR0zHgO68Lo-2BkIX3anQJ-2FY00-2FiHYqS6VoYgt-2FNdiBNNpCDBigipmAiR2G8q6EN-2FtDcU-2FC-2B2UMoTOqT2U-3D>"
> to share them with the members of his new group "ecco_pro".
>
> It might have been a bit to obvious to share with his new group
> members messages of the original group owners and main moderators of
> "eccopro
> <https://u2150049.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=yo37o3i872KfBGAmdwB5qFOlNsFV9-2F6xpFJWeEna4H-2FrixGQSmiwcJehdFxmH3WSHF4HV7A2Mg2R3eQUyAKU-2BQ-3D-3D_46DsPZsT2iD1MLZMdCToB2J85Ilgb3yzSc4A412B0H14y3ZB5-2BFtpNfSbxL96wmaBeiI7vHnO8CeyGZID28-2FltQWuWYb29pLWbyBZ1U2myGe8sRy5kADlKkiqkNMB5cNu2j0K3Dcuow1WFo9N2vlPNB5NR6rEEoFHtBhVXsWXzur06zJNUBmgep-2FZZiQJoTN24Ue6vA2t66aenZKA0mGSXHCgJ-2FNWFnXexz1njvAqLw-3D>"
> which included Nick Gordon or messages of Neal Gantz who attempted to
> lure EccoPro Group Members to his EccoPro Support Business, and after
> services were rendered required group members to sign non-disclosure
> agreements.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Friedhelm
>
> Watchdog
>
> *Nick Gordon's Watchdog*
>
>
> On 6/7/2016 6:57 AM, airchecklover wrote:
>>
>> @r6 --> Really? You mean files that were originally posted in the
>> files section were replaced with updated files that edited things out?
>>
>> Yes. Yahoo forum headlines show up on a search or a scroll back
>> through time but when clicked on, sometimes message is blank.
>>
>> ---> I don't want to put you through the trouble of documenting a
>> specific change. But can you give a link to one of the files that
>> actually happened to? (or just name it and mention where in the file
>> section it resides). That's bizarre.
>>
>> Yes it is bizarre and thanks for asking me to prove myself. That is
>> a prudent response :-} To preface my answer - I noticed replies
>> missing on-line last fall when doing the 'memory stress tests' &
>> toying with the notion of combining all YSWT's files into one master
>> file. I found the missing answers in older versions of YSWT
>> compilations proving the answers once existed and were erased
>> after-the-fact. I only made a mental note of this 'strangeness', I
>> did not keep track of tampered on-line pages. The thinking at the
>> time was "I have the answers in a better format inside Ecco anyway".
>> Memory says alot of the missing posts were from people named Nick
>> Gordon & Neal Gantz. These are names from before my time here.
>>
>> I've just spent a few minutes searching for erased posts and (of
>> course) didn't find much although this link has been emptied ....
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups
>> <https://u2150049.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=J8u1Luj1Jz2mmF4jV2LhsomvUgfQ0-2FRzo2-2BqimA2EPtw03T3QVeO1Fz-2BvV63jh0xp5kI-2Fuuhm-2Fm4ix5WQ-2FhLB76UsX5jVqWzOX9XTp-2BEomVlPaM-2FOGWsh0HA6PyHhRs6QCx12DZq6pcHTfUftcytYw-3D-3D_46DsPZsT2iD1MLZMdCToB2J85Ilgb3yzSc4A412B0H14y3ZB5-2BFtpNfSbxL96wmaBeiI7vHnO8CeyGZID28-2Flvin-2F1rDAgOMcyu9Zsmh4Q-2F-2FUsLM78bJRaK8IxtOJRIzo4Dj1yf7bh5cHLYJJbKr3E-2Fx3WfH0HIDuCkSw1uarZDb-2FTgfhoFO5dkxOIeauEl37b3vXSBA5oKOX9WvGYIYHq4ZyyNNJ7oarlLW2wZiL7w-3D>
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>> I brought this up in the context of asking if I should spend time and
>> energy making a 'super help file' comprised of all past YSWT
>> compilations plus AlbertS's work on Slang's EE documentation. JS
>> contributed a script which I think would make this a 'doable' venture
>> from a time & labor standpoint. I've done proof-of-concept's and yes
>> Ecco+EE has the capacity to hold and allow manipulation of that
>> immnse amount of data. But with two BIG caveats, the second of which
>> also answers your third paragraph, r6.
>>
>> 1) Someone else (outside my abilities) will have to write a script
>> that acts as a 'guard rail' ('governor' or 'limiter') so that a 50mb
>> file of ASCII text inside Ecco+EE does not choke Ecco at just the
>> wrong moment, causing loss of all Ecco work not just saved. In
>> other words - Ecco is not only 'Google fast' on Forum look-ups
>> spanning 15 years (''99-'14), but Ecco has a 64,000 line display
>> limit with an absolutely unforgiving ceiling. If a search or opening
>> a folder into a Notepad exceeds 64K Lines of Information - which can
>> happen with several times this much info at your disposal &/or if you
>> have more than one 'fat Notepad' already open, Ecco freezes and you
>> loose whatever you had not saved in how ever many files that were
>> open at the time.
>>
>> Concluding #1 - Someone with scripting skills would have to 'buy in'
>> on this project. Simply put, I do not have the 'chops' to do the
>> 'guard rail' scripting and using a complied version of all the Forums
>> seems too dangerous to justify the effort & the possibility of
>> loosing work at just the wrong moment.
>>
>>
>> 2) I agree r6 that the last 1.5 years of posts should and must be
>> included in any new compilation.
>> YSWT answered the topic this way back in late February when I brought
>> it up
>>
>> --> EccoMagic OFFLINE documentor v2.12 is commercial software.
>> When have availablel time will update archive to include latest
>> posts, etc.
>> needs about 18 mos. of updating....
>>
>>
>> (that quote as part of this thread ....)
>> Yahoo! Groups
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>> Yahoo! Groups
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>> Concluding #2 - Let's say I have X hours to contribute to the Ecco
>> community. And let's say I have two ways to spend that time and I
>> can choose one or the other but not both. Should I (a) spend the
>> time creating a 'super help file'. I would unless YSWT never again
>> offers to do the compile and does not do the update. If that is the
>> case, then my time would be better spent doing a manual 'scrape' of
>> the last 1.5 or so years. This especially considering flipping
>> between a couple Forum archive files isn't that big of a deal and
>> considering Yahoo's likely upcoming changes may not bode well for its
>> Forum users.
>>
>>
>>
>> Well now ... that's what I think at 6am on a Tuesday sitting here in
>> Milwaukee.
>>
>>
>> What do you think sitting where you are at this time? :-}
>>
>> Mark
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