Re: Re: [ecco_pro] Re: Yahoo Forum archives - Redacted?

Santiago ...



Good to hear from you. I hope everything is well on your end.



Yes, I had contact with Neal some time ago, by phone not through
the forum. Tom Hoots is deep into Photography and had some recent
health issues. Nick Gordon follows us on Facebook.





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On 6/7/2016 6:56 PM, '.' [email protected] [eccopro]
wrote:












Hello Friedhelm:



As a debt of gratitude, my eternal thanks to Neil Gantz. 
He got me started with Ecco (he actually sent me the
installer) and answered some very basic (and probably very
stupid) questions, and ... it didn't cost me a penny! If
it had not been for him, I would have missed-out on this
great program. I hope he es still lurking somewhere and
reads this post.



Best,



Santiago



On 6/7/2016 3:56 PM, Friedhelm Dohmann [email protected] 
[eccopro] wrote:










Yes, I would like a
complete copy of Yahoo messages of "both" Foren. When
I saw the names Nick Gordon and Neal Gantz and that
those messages or message replies were missing, I can
only point to YSWT and his hostile editing and
collecting processes.

Remember, in 2007 Tom Hoots the original owner and
creator of the Yahoo Support Group "eccopro " and
"Nick Gordon" who followed Tom past the baton to me
during the hostile attempt by YSWT to takeover the
original group claiming it was spam infested. Without
any consent from the group owners, YSWT sampled all
messages of the original group "eccopro " to
share them with the members of his new group
"ecco_pro".



It might have been a bit to obvious to share with his
new group members messages of the original group
owners and main moderators of "eccopro " which
included Nick Gordon or messages of Neal Gantz who
attempted to lure EccoPro Group Members to his EccoPro
Support Business, and after services were rendered
required group members to sign non-disclosure
agreements.



Cheers,




Friedhelm







Nick Gordon's Watchdog







On 6/7/2016 6:57 AM, airchecklover wrote:








@r6

--> Really? You mean files that were
originally posted in the files section were
replaced with updated files that edited things
out?



Yes. Yahoo forum headlines show up on a search
or a scroll back through time but when clicked
on, sometimes message is blank.



---> I don't want to put you
through the trouble of documenting a specific
change. But can you give a link to one of the
files that actually happened to? (or just name
it and mention where in the file section it
resides). That's bizarre.



Yes it is bizarre and thanks for asking me to
prove myself. That is a prudent response :-} 
To preface my answer - I noticed replies missing
on-line last fall when doing the 'memory stress
tests' & toying with the notion of combining
all YSWT's files into one master file. I found
the missing answers in older versions of YSWT
compilations proving the answers once existed
and were erased after-the-fact. I only made a
mental note of this 'strangeness', I did not
keep track of tampered on-line pages. The
thinking at the time was "I have the answers in
a better format inside Ecco anyway". Memory
says alot of the missing posts were from
people named Nick Gordon & Neal Gantz. 
These are names from before my time here.



I've just spent a few minutes searching for
erased posts and (of course) didn't find much
although this link has been emptied ....



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I brought this up in the context of asking if I
should spend time and energy making a 'super help
file' comprised of all past YSWT compilations plus
AlbertS's work on Slang's EE documentation. JS
contributed a script which I think would make this a
'doable' venture from a time & labor
standpoint. I've done proof-of-concept's and yes
Ecco+EE has the capacity to hold and allow
manipulation of that immnse amount of data. But
with two BIG caveats, the second of which also
answers your third paragraph, r6.



1) Someone else (outside my abilities) will have to
write a script that acts as a 'guard rail'
('governor' or 'limiter') so that a 50mb file of
ASCII text inside Ecco+EE does not choke Ecco at
just the wrong moment, causing loss of all Ecco work
not just saved. In other words - Ecco is not only
'Google fast' on Forum look-ups spanning 15 years
(''99-'14), but Ecco has a 64,000 line display limit
with an absolutely unforgiving ceiling. If a search
or opening a folder into a Notepad exceeds 64K Lines
of Information - which can happen with several times
this much info at your disposal &/or if you have
more than one 'fat Notepad' already open, Ecco
freezes and you loose whatever you had not saved in
how ever many files that were open at the time.



Concluding #1 - Someone with scripting skills would
have to 'buy in' on this project. Simply put, I do
not have the 'chops' to do the 'guard rail'
scripting and using a complied version of all the
Forums seems too dangerous to justify the effort
& the possibility of loosing work at just the
wrong moment.





2) I agree r6 that the last 1.5 years of posts
should and must be included in any new compilation.


YSWT answered the topic this way back in late
February when I brought it up




--> EccoMagic



OFFLINE documentor v2.12 is commercial software.

When have availablel time will update
archive to include latest posts, etc.

needs about 18 mos. of
updating....







(that quote as part of this thread
....)

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Concluding #2 - Let's say I have X hours to
contribute to the Ecco community. And let's say
I have two ways to spend that time and I can
choose one or the other but not both. Should
I (a) spend the time creating a 'super help
file'. I would unless YSWT never again offers
to do the compile and does not do the update. 
If that is the case, then my time would be
better spent doing a manual 'scrape' of the last
1.5 or so years. This especially considering
flipping between a couple Forum archive files
isn't that big of a deal and considering Yahoo's
likely upcoming changes may not bode well for
its Forum users.










Well now ... that's what I think at 6am on a
Tuesday sitting here in Milwaukee.





What do you think sitting where you are at this
time? :-}



Mark



























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