Re: on yuksel and the "19" folk - Bible/Hadith use.

salam, uzma,

definitely rejecting the entirety of the hadiths is an extreme, just like accepting all of them blindly is. on prophets, where did you get that they were above minor and major sins? funny because in the same e-mail you were talking about a prophet who was dissing the poor... for the elite. and what about the same prophet who was trying to hide something god would bring to light... in fear of his people? (33:37) or the same prophet who prohibited something lawful to himself in order to please his wives? (66:1) or... well, you get the point :-)

and muhammad lived in a time when the world was pretty much civilized... when islam was pretty much set. you must understand that many things that are considered 'sinful' later in islam were not sinful before... and became sinful through experience. one good example is alcohol.

the prophets were not 'above' anyone or anything. they were human beings... who struggled to be good, like all of us. if they are saying they are not anything more than human like all of us... (18:110) and certainly we know humans were created weak.... (4:28)... why make them anything they are not?

certainly, the qur'an has 'corrected' the bible (i.e, "god does not need to rest" ... "god's hand is not tied" ... "noah's wife and son perished" ... "the wife of pharaoh was good" ... etc etc) and no one would ever claim the whole bible is correct but neither is it all corrupted. just like the hadiths, one should use historical truths to help offset :)

your brother,

afdhere

Afdhere Jama
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>From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [Progressivemuslimsnetwork] on yuksel and the "19" folk - Bible/Hadith use. >Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:23:45 EST > >As Salam Aleikum > >I am responding to bits and pieces from different e-mails..... > > >>There are whole parts of the Quran that specifically address the Arab >people, their are parts of the Quran that chide the people for rejecting one raised >from among their own kith and kin. How could this ever apply to anyone who >lives and breaths today? Maybe those things in the Quran that need hadith to >be explained fully are not meant for us anyway? Just a thought.<< > >The portions of the Quran that address Arabs, by extension apply to everyone &g
t;for all times. eg: the Surah in which the Prophet (saw) is chided for >overlooking the blind man and instead devoting his time to the elite of Mecca... >don't we do that now? >Don't we reject our kith and kin in this day and age? The verse about >burying daughters... people may not be doing it in the same exact way but there are >enough cases in which couples opt to abort daughters after finding out the >gender of the feotus. I believe that knowing the history through the ahadith >helps understand the details. How is it not applicable to our current times? > >Other than explaining the conditions of the times the ahadith tell us a lot >more about Islam that is not detailed in the Quran... eg: the exact way of >praying is not detailed in the Quran. Application of specific laws of the Quran t >each the various ways these were interpreted and applied b
y the Prophet (saw) >which we get from the ahadith. > >Just because there are a few questionable ahadith does not mean you throw the >entire body of knowledge out... instead we should examine those specific >ahadith against the knowledge from the Quran... that would be a more sensible >approach. eg: derogatory ahadith about women go against what the Quran says about >women. > >The stories of the Bible have many inaccuracies that are not accepted by >Islam that referencing the current version of the Bible makes no sense. eg: the >'sins' & immorality portrayed in the Bible, by some Prophets goes against the >teaching of the Quran that Prophets are special chosen people sent to carry out >a message and were above minor or major sins. The story of Eve tempting Adam >is different from the Islamic version. > >There is too much valuable info
rmation in the ahadith that rejecting all of >it is a little too extreme. > >Regards, >Uzma

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