Re: on original sin

>well, my argument then and now is... isn't this the same god
>who brought children of adam from the future and made them
>bear witness against their souls (see qur'an 7:172) that god
>is their lord? the whole thing called the "original sin" is
>proved in that verse... because apparently, god knew ALL of
>us would break that rule... or we are living the orignal sin
>... take your pick :)

This is incorrect, nobody was brought back from the future.  If we look at
the verse...

7:172 When thy Lord drew forth from the Children of Adam - from their
loins - their descendants, and made them testify concerning themselves,
(saying): "Am I not your Lord (who cherishes and sustains you)?"- They said:
"Yea! We do testify!" (This), lest ye should say on the Day of Judgment: "Of
this we were never mindful":

It is not talking about the descendants from the loins of Adam, but from the
loins of the CHILDREN of Adam - meaning when we, the children of Adam, have
offspring and they reach the age of maturity, they bear witness against
their own souls.

And then the next verse...

7:173 Or lest ye should say: "Our fathers before us may have taken false
gods, but we are (their) descendants after them: wilt Thou then destroy us
because of the deeds of men who were futile?"