Re: RE: ProgressiveMuslims digest, Vol 1 #378 - 6 msgs

salam, brother,

in the qur'an, god uses words like "nahnu"(we), "inaa"(us), "inahu"(he is), etc... there have been muslims historically who asserted when god uses 'we' and 'us' it means angels have a hand in it. allahu a3lam :)

interestingly enough, a friend of mine and i was talking about a verse in the qur'an 66:12... where there is "fiihi" (in it) ... which actually correspondence to mary's genitals. so, the *masculine* word in arabic also correspondence to the "it."

ok. i hope to god that made some sense.

that aside, i was attracted to both girls and boys as a young boy. must have been pretty depressed... though my childhood was a happy one.

and, thank you for your efforts. they are kindly appreciated.

afdhere

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>From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [Progressivemuslimsnetwork] RE: ProgressiveMuslims digest, Vol 1 #378 - 6 msgs >Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 16:35:21 -0500 > >y2, > >Since the ball's rolling on this thread, I'd like to add my 2 cents >also. > >While you may not have an opinion, your post as well as the time you >must have put into it certainly communicate to me that you have >strong feelings on this issue . . . I think that we have those two >things (strong feelings as well as careful effort and consideration >in our posts) in common. > >Correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to be reading your post as making >depression a metaphor for homosexuality. I beg to differ with that >parallel. I have to ask - given all of
the scientific study that has >gone into BOTH of these facets of the human condition in the last >100 years as well as the new critical light being shed on >homosexuality within Islam in particular - where's the progress in >the way we think about these issues? > >I would assert that people in both camps would find fault in your >comparison simply because there seems to be a value judgment in what >you're saying that slights them both. It might be better if you're >talking about them on the level of sin (which I do not agree is the >case for either of these two states) to come from a place that is >more scripturally-based. In effect, you might want to be more >explicit and demonstrative in saying that it is Allah's judgment >that people are under rather than your own or that of the prevailing >Islamic social winds. > >I don't want to play
Qur'an Jeopardy on the issue so I won't ask you >to site verses or site any myself. I will, however, celebrate your >right to challenge me in understanding my faith as I would hope is >true in the converse case. I will also bear witness to this thought >you shared. > >(About sex ads on the Al Fatiha group's listserv - I'm not sure if >this was brought up before y2's post or if that post was when the >issue arose but in my experience, they are highly atypical and get >deleted from my inbox immediately like all related solicitations . >. . wherever they may come from.) > >I just hope that the quest to please Allah justly and compassion >while also experiencing peace by being in His* good graces (which >brought me not only back to my faith but also to this group) is what >attracts all who participate in the faith in the first place and is >
what attracts us to this group in particular. Given your recent >post, y2, I am sure that reasonable people can disagree and I will >also grant my agreement with with the loose definition/example you >offered of 'open-minded[ness]' constituting the idea that >homosexuality may be (just as it may not be) a sin is the eyes of >Allah. > >I pray that He* will guide us all rightly and forgive us when we err >whether knowingly, in desperation, or in ignorance. And I hope that >there is room in Islam and in groups like the PMN for people who >think and believe like you do . . .and for those who do not. > >Apologies in advance for any offenses/injury or ignorance on my end. >Allah surely loves clarity so any thoughts that might contribute >thereof are encouraged. > >PS: * = Anyone know why Yusuf Ali and others seem to be sometimes >translating
Allah in the first-person pronoun as "We" as in plural >rather than singular? What does that have to do with the >third-person translating as the singular masculine "He"? > >-Moo :) > > > >--On Saturday, February 07, 2004 1:28 PM -0500 y2 > wrote: > >>No doubt I'm sure some people are born with a tendancy to be >>attracted to >>the same sex. Others simply make the choice. People are born with >>tendacies all the time. That doesn't neccessarily mean they should >>simply >>embrace it. I'm sure there are people who have a tendancy to be >>genuinly >>depressed simply due to a genetic disorder (they cannot product the >>happy >>chemicals in the brain). Others are depressed for reasons of their >>own/environment's making. In either case, one should seek >>trea
tment for >>that. The notion that just because we are born with it or that it >>is >>found in nature is reason enough to accept it is not sufficient to >>allow >>it. Male lions for example kill the offspring of other males when >>they >>take over a pride. This of course would be a crime of immeasurable >>proportion in humanity. But it is perfectly natural. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >ProgressiveMuslims mailing list >[email protected] >http://willo.nitric.co.za/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/progressivemuslims

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