CryoNet #33291 - #33293

CryoNet - Mon 31 Jan 2011

    #33291: I'm a pauper in paradise [=?UTF-8?Q?Jonathan_Despr=C3=A9s?=]
    #33292: Re: again, religiosity and target groups [David Stodolsky]
    #33293: Re: again, religiosity and target groups [MARK PLUS]

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Message #33291
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 12:09:48 +0100
Subject: I'm a pauper in paradise
From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jonathan_Despr=C3=A9s?= <[email protected]>

I'm a pauper in paradise

like in spain...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn17bJODzEg

Life is good

--Jon

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Message #33292
Subject: Re: again, religiosity and target groups
From: David Stodolsky <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 14:37:21 +0100
References: <[email protected]>

On 30 Jan 2011, at 11:00 AM, CryoNet wrote:

> I agree with the need to recognize the cultural, social and
> ritualistic aspects of building an activist community of like-minded
> persons. However, I disagree that this should be connected to any
> religion. I see cryonics as part of a move to make physical the dreams
> of humanity that until recently have been impossible and therefore
> have been expressed through spiritual or religious aspirations. A
> material understanding of the world is supplanting the natural but
> primitive religious understanding.
> 
> Support communities are already available: Meetup has the following
> totals for Atheists:

Atheism is defined as "a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods". Therefore, it doesn't provide any "cultural, social and
ritualistic aspects of building an activist community."

There are humanists groups that have a positive program, but none of these are supportive of cryonics. Cosmism appears to be the most well founded philosophic position that supports cryonics:

<https://sites.google.com/a/cosmism.info/cosmism/what-is-cosmism>


dss

David Stodolsky
[email protected]  Skype: davidstodolsky

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Message #33293
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:23:42 -0700
Subject: Re: again, religiosity and target groups
From: MARK PLUS <[email protected]>

David Stodolsky writes:

>Atheism is defined as "a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods". Therefore, it doesn't provide any "cultural, social and ritualistic aspects of building an activist community."

Since when did atheism mean "a lack of belief"? Atheists have
traditionally disputed theistic beliefs about the nature and contents
of reality, often including criticisms of the practical consequence of
these beliefs. The Enlightenment-era atheist Denis Diderot in his
Encyclopedie defines atheism as "the opinion of those which deny the
existence of God. To be charged with the odious title of atheism, it
is necessary to have the concept of God, and reject it."

In other words, atheists resemble vegans. Vegans don't just "lack
belief in eating meat," perhaps because they've never had any meat
available for consumption in their lives. The vegan firebrands go
further to attack the dominant culture which has based itself on
exploiting animals, while arguing for the advantages (medical,
environmental, social, ethical, etc.) of their alternative world view
and lifestyle. I guess vegans could say that "Carnivory poisons
everything."



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Mark Plus
Life is short: Freeze hard!

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