Re: Sophocles Antigone - Question re English/German translations

Good parallel, thanks!
The Bard at his best.
But he is surely saying both - no?: " How noble in reason, how infinite in
faculty.............. And yet to me, what is this quintessence of dust? Man
delights not me; no, nor Woman neither"
Unless, perhaps, Hamlet's depression discounts the conclusion?
But I doubt it. Shakespeare understood as much as anyone of the human
soul....
Patrick

On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 1:55 PM John Ayer <[email protected]> wrote:

> Compare the reading of Hamlet when he says
>
> What a piece of work is a man.
>
> Is the reading awed, reverential?  Or sardonic?
>
> In today=E2=80=99s world when we say =E2=80=9Cboy, he=E2=80=99s a piece o=
f work,=E2=80=9D the reading is
> definitely sardonic.   I wonder if Shakespeare would have intended it tha=
t
> way.
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> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fen.m.=
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> Jack Ayer
> Professor Emeritus-Law
> UC Davis
>
> On Dec 10, 2019, at 8:01 AM, Patrick Ozzard-Low <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
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> Hello
>
>
>
> Please excuse slow reply =E2=80=93 little time! Awfully nice responses; a=
n awesome
> thread; wondrous information. ;-)  Thank you.
>
>
>
> Yes, Jebb translates as =E2=80=98wonder/terror=E2=80=99. Heidegger I stud=
ied closely in my
> youth.
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>
>
> BUT: is it not strange that in English (I could name probably 30 versions
> off the top of my head) that speak of the *wonder* of man=E2=80=94while, =
in German,
> man is predominantly *Ungeheuer* / *Ungeheuere*r? I believe this German
> word conveys: monstrous, scandalous, iniquitous, enormous, incredible=E2=
=80=A6
>
>
>
> Perhaps =E2=80=98incredible=E2=80=99 is getting close to =E2=80=98wondrou=
s=E2=80=99. So the multivalent
> Greek is echoed in the multivalent German.
>
>
>
> But are there, *also*, German translations that take the more English, mo=
re
> purely 'wondrous' view?
>
>
>
> Hopefully, today, I=E2=80=99ll have time to read all those references =E2=
=80=93 thanks!
>
>
>
> Patrick
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 6:59 PM Laval Hunsucker <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>>
> wrote:
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> But then again if one so wishes can't most anything be  [ labeled as ]
> "awesome"  nowadays ?
>
> - Laval Hunsucker
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 6:23 PM Ralph Hancock <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>>
> wrote:
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> Steven Schuster  wrote:
>
> Very much a side track, but wouldn=E2=80=99t the word =E2=80=9Cawful=E2=
=80=9D have presented
> translation issues at some periods of its apparent transition of
> meaning?
>
>
> The hymn which (when dinosaurs roamed the earth) I used to sing as a
> choirboy --
>
> Before Jehovah's awful throne
> Ye nations bow with sacred joy;
> Know that the Lord is God alone,
> He can create, and he destroy
>
> -- has now become 'Before Jehovah's awesome throne ..' which sounds to me
> as if the throne were covered in Swarovski crystals.
>
> RH
>
>
>