Re: subject now becoming clearer
Stefanie Rohan <[email protected]> Mon, 30 Oct 2017 18:08:40 +0000
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I am surprised that anyone is so mistaken as not to agree with the post below. A unanimous poll may help determine LAs, but the bar for a serious error is much, much lower. The action should be absurd, ridiculous. In fact in this case the club lead could have worked when a spade wouldn't. > On 30 Oct 2017, at 2:57 pm, Robert Frick <[email protected]> wrote: > > Even if your example doesn't work, you have asked a good question that deserves answering. One issue is that any poll might not yield the correct answer. Here, the chances of a spade lead working, if dummy has four spades, is faily small, so I too am suspicious of how the question was asked. > > But in general, I determine LA's via a poll. It's a standardized procedure, and when I am done I am done. > > But I don't think this poll addressed "extremely serious error". If in fact almost everyone is playing a hand one way, that suggests that other lines of play are inferior. But that could be "normal error", not "extremely serious error". > > >> On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 15:44:26 -0400, Herman De Wael <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I posted this week: >> >> They are vulnerable, you're in second seat, after the bidding: >> >> decl you dummy part >> 2Cl Pass 2Sp Pass 2Cl=strong 2Sp=relay >> 3He Pass 3Sp Pass natural >> 3NT All Pass >> >> And you have to lead from: >> >> Sp K Q 9 7 5 2 >> He Q J 10 8 >> Di 9 >> Cl 6 3 >> >> Your lead? >> >> There have been many different leads (I believe all four suits have been >> suggested) >> >> Now I'll tell you what happened: >> >> 3Sp was intended, by Dummy, as a second relay. He has only two spades. >> Offending side told the TD that this was a misbid, and it should have >> been natural - so East was not misinformed. >> However, the TD ruled that this was not proven and he ruled misinformation. >> But that's not the end of the ruling. >> >> It is clear that without the mention of natural spades in dummy, a spade >> lead is mandatory. In that case, the contract goes two down. That is >> what the TD ruled for the offending side. >> >> At the table, the lead was a club and declarer made 11 tricks. >> >> Now, the TD polled six players, like I did you, and received six answers >> of a spade lead even after the misinformation. >> I am not criticising this, different polls do lead to different results. >> >> Based on this poll the TD of the hand ruled serious error and left the >> score of -660 for the non offending side (leaving the final result of >> the match at 18-9 on the ancient scale). >> >> My question is the following: >> Is it enough for a poll to be unanimous in order to rule that the club >> lead was a serious error as indicated by the new laws? >> >> Herman. >> >> Herman. >> _______________________________________________ >> Blml mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> http://www.avg.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blml mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > _______________________________________________ > Blml mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml _______________________________________________ Blml mailing list [email protected] http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml