Re: Law 25B1: Between 25A and 31

Because once North calls (for instance Pass) over the 3NT bid by West it becomes East that is in turn to call (unless the 3NT bid is accepted as an unintended call).

 

In this case the 3NT bid by West clearly did not satisfy the conditions for an unintended call so the 3H bid by West at this time is a  call at East’s turn to call, i.e. a call out of turn.

 

Law 25A applies to unintended  calls, but notice that the final result will be the same whether North (incorrectly) is given the opportunity to accept the 3H bid as a change of his 3NT bid or (correctly) use his right to accept the 3H bid out of turn. The main difference is what effect the irregularity may have on the (following) auction and/or play. 

 

In either case North is allowed to eventually make his own desired 3S  bid. 

 

Fra: [email protected] <[email protected]> På vegne av Gordon Rainsford
Sendt: torsdag 13. september 2018 16.01
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Emne: Re: [Blml] Law 25B1: Between 25A and 31

 

Why would you want to pretend something was a call out of turn when it isn't? The terms of the original question told us that it was an intended change of call.

 

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 9:27 AM Sven Pran <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

Why not apply Law 31B1?
West's changed bid of 3H is actually a call out of rotation at East's turn
to call, this changed call stands and North is now in turn to call.
North is free to bid 3S and East may then make any legal call. 
Law 16C2 now applies.
(North do not have the option to refuse West's change of call!) 

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Walther
Sendt: onsdag 12. september 2018 17.53
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Emne: [Blml] Law 25B1: Between 25A and 31

When does the right (25B1) to accept an intended change of call cease?

The bidding

W      N     E       S
2NT    P     3T(a)   P    (a) Puppet-Stayman
3NT*  p(1)                (*) Meant to show 5 hearts.

Now West remembers that he has to bid 3H to show his hearts and replaces his
bid. North wants to accept this change; he is wants to bid 3S.


If 3NT had been unintended, we are in law 25A, 3S is an allowed bid.
p(1) is cancelled and becomes UI to E/W.
Especially we have 25A1, telling us that a replacement is allowed as long
partner did not  bid, and we 25A6, telling us how to deal with
p(1): it may be withdrawn.


If 3H  is meant to be an intended bid that should be given in the next
round,  we are in 31 (and 27). Again N is allowed to bid 3S, but this time
p(1) is not cancelled and it is AI to E/W.

But now we are somewhere between 25B1, 25B2 and 31.
31.C tells us, that a bid OOR shall be treated as a change of call,
according to law 25 as long as LHO did not call.

25B1. is telling us, that a substition may be accepted; unfortunately it
does not tell when this right is ceasing.
Did North forfeit his right to accept a change of call, when he called
p(1) over 3NT, throwing us do 25B2, or is acceptance according to 25B1 still
possible?




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