Re: My thoughts on C# and gaming.

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Brandon Van Every <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:46 PM, OvermindDL1 <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Brandon Van Every <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:31 PM, OvermindDL1 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That is *so* true, further proof that as any language evolves, they
>>>> evolve to become LISP.  ;-)
>>>
>>> Or do they evolve to become Scheme?  Does Scheme evolve to become
>>> Lisp, i.e. a huge system of standard services?  Guess I'll go read up
>>> on the latest flaps about R6RS, it's been a few years since I cared.
>>
>> Same family, so either-or.  :p
>>
>> One has a *huge* standard library.
>> The other is more academic, does not come with much.
>
> One person's academic is another person's more syntactically
> consistent and useful.  Consider whether you'd want to use Perl or
> Ruby to implement DSLs.  Not quite an equivalent comparison but it
> does resonate from a "why am I supposed to care?" standpoint.
>
>> I do not recall which was which though...
>> I think Scheme was the academic one and Lisp was the useful one (aka,
>> huge standard library),
>
> Scheme is the small one, and "big vs. small" is a different axis from
> "academic vs. practical."  A huge standard library isn't so useful if
> what you really want is a "fast" language to embed.  Consider Python
> vs. Lua.

Hey, I embed Python quite often!  ;-)
But really, if you notice about all quick-use languages, they come
with huge standard libraries, that is where their efficiency of
programming comes from, so for a full language kind of thing, Lisp is
better, but yes, I do agree, Scheme is better for embedding (I am
still looking for a decently fast Lisp/Scheme to embed that works on
windows with a decent boost'ish/bsd license that is actually fast, for
non-fast stuff I generally just embed Python, it is *SO* easy to link
to once you know how, yes, easier then Lua, although bigger, and I can
pick and choose its standard library parts that I wish to include,
plus with psyco it is decently fast).

I have actually been making my own Lispish/Schemish language, but more
strongly typed and with a concurrency feature-set built-in using
LLVM's Jit as the back-end.  I still assert that both Lisp and Scheme
use some bloody retarded names for some things...
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