Re: Bush Mark II?
Sloth <[email protected]> Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:27:35 -0400
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--sp9K5ziKPd1jxPy9iCdUlxuIKnb4YxQmoOj2zXF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:19 AM, William Highfield (TopChoiceTees.com) < [email protected]> wrote: > > Joe, > > Really? So then the Democratic or Republican parties can also decide > who can vote and who cannot vote, too? In Party elections? Absolutely. Perhaps you've heard of Closed Primary States. > Uh, I don't think so. They are > NOT a corporation and we are not stockholders. For them to say that a > vote from Florida only counts as a half a vote is assinine, and I'm > surprised someone hasn't taken it to Federal court as a violation of > voting rights. Voting rights only apply to US elections (at any government level). Party elections are *not* US elections, any more than voting for who leads your local Diplomacy hobby is. > And I hate to tell you this, but Republicans DO NOT have > "super-delegates". Period. The party elites get to be delegates the > same way other delegates get picked, by being part of their state's > delegation within the primary system. Party delegates are not bound by the majority vote in their District/State, thus they are pretty much exactly the same a Democratic super-delegates, except they are a slightly smaller percentage of the total. > The electoral college ensures that candidates must run for President in > all 50 states, and not just run in one section of the country to get > elected. You're veering off into random directions, my man. This is not an argument about the electoral college (of which I'm very much a supporter, thank you very much). > but other than that, I'm in favor of the winner take all > system. Good for you. However, your opinion on how a Party *to which you do not belong and of which you are not a leader* should organize their *internal *elections is worth about a bucket of warm spit. -Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --sp9K5ziKPd1jxPy9iCdUlxuIKnb4YxQmoOj2zXF Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> <body style="background-color: #ffffff;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="width:655px; position:relative;"> <div id="ygrp-msg" style="width: 470px; margin:0; padding:0 25px 0 0; float:left; z-index:1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-text"> <p>On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:19 AM, William Highfield (TopChoiceTees.<wbr>com) <<br> <a href="mailto:williamhighfield%40adelphia.net">williamhighfield@<wbr>adelphia.<wbr>net</a>> wrote:<br> ><br> > Joe,<br> ><br> > Really? So then the Democratic or Republican parties can also decide<br> > who can vote and who cannot vote, too?<br> <br> In Party elections? Absolutely. Perhaps you've heard of Closed Primary<br> States.<br> <br> > Uh, I don't think so. They are<br> > NOT a corporation and we are not stockholders. For them to say that a<br> > vote from Florida only counts as a half a vote is assinine, and I'm<br> > surprised someone hasn't taken it to Federal court as a violation of<br> > voting rights.<br> <br> Voting rights only apply to US elections (at any government level). Party<br> elections are *not* US elections, any more than voting for who leads your<br> local Diplomacy hobby is.<br> <br> > And I hate to tell you this, but Republicans DO NOT have<br> > "super-delegates"<wbr>. Period. The party elites get to be delegates the<br> > same way other delegates get picked, by being part of their state's<br> > delegation within the primary system.<br> <br> Party delegates are not bound by the majority vote in their District/State,<br> thus they are pretty much exactly the same a Democratic super-delegates,<br> except they are a slightly smaller percentage of the total.<br> <br> > The electoral college ensures that candidates must run for President in<br> > all 50 states, and not just run in one section of the country to get<br> > elected.<br> <br> You're veering off into random directions, my man. This is not an argument<br> about the electoral college (of which I'm very much a supporter, thank you<br> very much).<br> <br> > but other than that, I'm in favor of the winner take all<br> > system.<br> <br> Good for you. However, your opinion on how a Party *to which you do not<br> belong and of which you are not a leader* should organize their<br> *internal *elections<br> is worth about a bucket of warm spit.<br> <br> -Joe<br> <br> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]<br> <br> </p> </div> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--> <span width="1" style="color: white;">__._,_.___</span> <!-- Start the section with Message In topic --> <div id="ygrp-actbar"> <span class="left"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-Achat/message/16494;_ylc=X3oDMTM1MmdrMnYzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2MwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEbXNnSWQDMTY1MDAEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjEyNTg5NjYyBHRwY0lkAzE2NDk0"> Messages in this topic </a> (<span class="bld">7</span>) </span> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-Achat/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwbGJtMHBmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2MwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEbXNnSWQDMTY1MDAEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjEyNTg5NjYy?act=reply&messageNum=16500"> <span class="bld"> Reply </span> (via web post) </a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-Achat/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNDA0cTBuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2MwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDbnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjEyNTg5NjYy" class="bld"> Start a new topic </a> </div> <!------- Start Nav Bar ------> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <div id="ygrp-vitnav"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-Achat/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJkYWlzMnJwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2MwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDbXNncwRzdGltZQMxMjEyNTg5NjYy">Messages</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-Achat/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZzlnbWdvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2MwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDZmlsZXMEc3RpbWUDMTIxMjU4OTY2Mg--">Files</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-Achat/photos;_ylc=X3oDMTJkN284MGRhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2MwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDcGhvdARzdGltZQMxMjEyNTg5NjYy">Photos</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-Achat/links;_ylc=X3oDMTJlYTIzdTluBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2MwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDbGlua3MEc3RpbWUDMTIxMjU4OTY2Mg--">Links</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-Achat/database;_ylc=X3oDMTJiZnJlOWcyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2MwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDZGIEc3RpbWUDMTIxMjU4OTY2Mg--">Database</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-Achat/polls;_ylc=X3oDMTJlYzBldm1xBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2MwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDcG9sbHMEc3RpbWUDMTIxMjU4OTY2Mg--">Polls</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-Achat/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkcXI5c3U0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2MwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDbWJycwRzdGltZQMxMjEyNTg5NjYy">Members</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-Achat/calendar;_ylc=X3oDMTJjc2FzNDg1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2MwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDY2FsBHN0aW1lAzEyMTI1ODk2NjI-">Calendar</a> </div> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> <div id="ygrp-grft"> </div> <div id="ygrp-mkp"> <div id="hd">MARKETPLACE</div> <div id="ads"> <div class="ad"> <hr size=1 noshade><a href="http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=13rj5a69h/M=624381.12730922.13032918.10835568/D=groups/S=1705057147:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1212596863/L=/B=BOWAAEJe5tU-/J=1212589663395333/A=5379723/R=0/SIG=14evd63no/*http://media.adrevolver.com/adrevolver/href?banner=189158&place=26143&url_=http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/display.com?cid=bbi00027">Blockbuster</a> is giving away a FREE trial of - <a href="http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=13rj5a69h/M=624381.12730922.13032918.10835568/D=groups/S=1705057147:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1212596863/L=/B=BOWAAEJe5tU-/J=1212589663395333/A=5379723/R=1/SIG=14evd63no/*http://media.adrevolver.com/adrevolver/href?banner=189158&place=26143&url_=http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/display.com?cid=bbi00027">Blockbuster Total Access.</a> </div> </div> </div> <!-- yahoo logo --> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <div id="ygrp-ft"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJjYXMxcWJkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2MwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDZ2ZwBHN0aW1lAzEyMTI1ODk2NjI-"> <img src="http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/yg/img/logo/ma_grp_160.gif" height="15" width="106" border="0" alt="Yahoo! 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