Re: Update

"David E. Cohen" <[email protected]> Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:44:42 -0400
Newsgroups gmane.games.diplomacy.cat23.gm
Message-ID <004a01c591d7$69e8ae60$74c1bd18@Dell>
I agree with Randall's sentiments.  There is a GM for every taste.  Libby 
for example, is a very strict-constructionist GM, but she reviews orders in 
detail.  Others, who are much looser, do not.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randall Shane" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 11:48 PM
Subject: [CAT23-GM] Update


>
> You say that like it's a bad thing.
>
> If that's how Libby runs her games, and if the players are aware that
> she will give a player a chance to clarify ambiguous prelim orders --
> well, it may technically be GM interference, but it's certainly well
> within acceptable bounds.
>
> That's the beauty of human run games -- as long as the GM is fair,
> flexibility can be allowed, and can help games run much more enjoyably.
>
> --- lgtennant <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, Libby, but I would say that your return of orders to a player
>> for clarification is totally uncalled for.  IMO it is GM interference
>> of the first order.  You should simply accept them as is, publish
>> them as is, and then give your interpretation of what they mean. Len
>>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>>   From: squirelibbymcafee
>>   To: [email protected]
>>   Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 12:15 PM
>>   Subject: [CAT23-GM] Update
>>
>>
>>   Gentleman,
>>
>>   Thank you all for your input.  I would have responded sooner, but I
>>
>>   have come down with a bug and am trying to get as much rest as
>>   possible.  There were however a couple of questions raised that I
>> at
>>   least should respond to.
>>
>>   First, in the game I am running, the issues of whether or not the
>>   orders are ambiguous or not (I ruled both as unclear) is moot given
>> the
>>   others orders submitted by the players opposition.  For that I am
>>   thankful.
>>
>>   Second, I believe one of you asked about instructions I may have
>>   provided in my house rules regarding the writing of orders. An
>> expert
>>   from rule seven reads as follows:
>>
>>   "The clarity and detail of submitted orders is up to the player.
>>   Brevity is discouraged. All submitted orders are to be written in
>>   agreement with the official rules (See Abbreviations). Variations
>> that
>>   are without any vagueness of intent, or are with out ambiguity,
>> will be
>>   acceptable. The GM will make no attempt to correct a player's
>> orders."
>>
>>   Third, I require prelims, as many of your know.  One of the reasons
>> I
>>   do so, is that sometimes I am able to catch a problem with a
>> player's
>>   orders and suggest they re-examine what they have submitted.  In
>> this
>>   instance the player failed to meet the prelim deadline and
>> therefore
>>   this opportunity was not available to me.  I don't always look at
>>   orders, but in this game on at least two separate occassions I have
>>
>>   prompted players to relook the orders they have submitted.
>>
>>   As for the strict interpretation of the "English" language, in my
>>   personal opinion the point is moot if players do as I suggest and
>>   either write the orders in agreement with the game rules, or do as
>> I do
>>   and submit the orders copied from the RP software.  Granted, I can
>>   still submit an invalid order with RP, but at least the GM doesn't
>> have
>>   to ponder the language, just the logic.
>>
>>   Thank you all,
>>
>>   Libby
>>
>>   wnrytyrsd
>>
>>
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