Re: [CAT23-Ngame] A rules questions

Packrat <[email protected]> Sun, 3 Aug 2008 04:28:25 -0700 (PDT)
Newsgroups gmane.games.diplomacy.cat23.results.twelve-hundred,gmane.games.diplomacy.cat23.new-games
Message-ID <[email protected]>
The support is as valid as GOB sup F NWY to STP (nc).
My understanding has been, and is, that as long as the unit can move
into the SPACE (STP or SPA) the support is valid.=A0 Yes, it seems
odd but over the years this is the interpretation that I have seen used
most often.=A0 Well, always.
There is, as one might suspect, a difference between a support order
and a move.=A0 You support into the province, you move into the space (coas=
t).



----- Original Message ----
From: Babak Talebi <[email protected]>
To: 1200group <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Do=
uglas Kent <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, August 3, 2008 3:57:40 AM
Subject: [CAT23-Ngame] A rules questions


Friends -

Two dip players of some experience have come to a disagreement on a rules
question. If you could shed light on this situation, it would be most
appreciated.

*The Situation:*

F Por to Spa(sc)
F Gas S F Por to Spa(sc)

*The Question:*
**
is the order for F Gas *Void* or *Valid*

*The Rules:*

On page 7 in the 4th edition of the rules (
http://www.diplomac y-archive. com/resources/ rulebooks/ 2000AH4th. pdf) tw=
o
relevant quotes can be found...

1) "A fleet that can move to a province with two separate coasts (A fleet
in the Mid-Atlantic for example) can support another Army or Fleet into tha=
t
province (in this case Spain) without regard to separate coastlines." (2nd
paragraph - 2nd column)

2) "The province to which a unit is providing support must be one to which
the supporting unit could have legally moved during that turn. ...Likewise =
a
Fleet in Rome could not support a unit's move to Venice because, although
adjacent by land, the Fleet can not move to Venice from Rome." (1st
paragraph - 2nd column)

*The Arguments:*
**
one reading of these rules is that "If you can move to a province you can
support ANY action in that province. period". ie - the fleet in Gas can
support Por to Spa(sc) because it can itself move to Spa thus making the
support order *Valid*.

the second reading is that since Spa(sc) is not a province that the
supporting unit (F Gas) 'could have legally moved' to, it is thus an illega=
l
support and therefore *Void*.

I leave this earth-shattering question to these august bodies of wisdom on
Cat23 and look forward to reading various judicious opinions on the
matter. Has this been resolved elsewhere?

I am told by my fellow diplomacy player that he is 100% positive of his
position and since I hold him and his experience in high regard, I am
inclined to agree with him - but felt that due to my minor doubt, I should
consult with the rest of the village elders first. (ps. I still have not
told you all which position I have taken in this)

Babak

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